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LeafReport 73M

11/4/2019 1:41 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    You have too much of an ideological preference.. It's taints your ability to see the real America.

    We know that 46% of Democrats DO NOT call themselves LIBERAL.. So what do you think they are..?

    You going to fall into the trap set by Trump.. that opposition to him, makes you a liberal socialist? Do you believe that?
    Do you fall into the trap that a "label defines who a person is?

    What i see is about 20% are Liberal about 20% are Conservatives.. and the rest of country doesn't give a shit about ideology. The idea that a "labeled" ideology.. of 20% of the people.. gives them each the same mindset.. BIG Ideas and Big Plans... and CONTROL...... In each 20%, their goal is to Control the other 80%. You fall into that. In both cases of Liberals and Conservatives....YOU CAN"T MAKE IT HAPPEN.

    In either case it is the destruction of our Democracy... As it has morphed into fascist Liberalism of fascist Conservatism. Again fascism can be defined... As Making it happen.

    You have fallen into the trap of believing....Guns control, abortions,voting rights, entitlements, racism, healthcare, and immigration.....Can be defined through the "Label" of Liberalism and Conservatism... And with that label.. you become exclusionary and fascist.

    You think you are "saving" our democracy.. You are just as responsible for it's downfall as those fascists who started all this shit.

    "Amy is competent yes, inspiring no. Boring yes, persuasive no"

    Absolutely right!

    Don't get me wrong...I don't want a perpetual political fight...but I do want an end to the one we're already in. There's still too much ass kicking that has to happen. This is not Gerald Ford's America Cricket. I would be the first to stand with you if I believed true bi-partisan governance for the good of the country could emerge.

    Can't happen if you can't believe it. Can't happen if you don't elect it. Can't happen if you really don't want to, and see the advantage of NOT.

    My gosh.. you want to save US....do it with respect and trust
    Elect politician who understand it and believe it.. If you listen, you can hear it in their words. see it on the faces..They aren't waving, flags, Inspiring a fight, or telling you what YOU should do...
    Yet no matter what side your on.. Instead.. you call them.....traitors, losers, soft, and give ins to your opposition......

    BIG PLANS, BIG IDEAS, COURAGE AND TAKING CONTROL..
    WTF? DO YOU THINK THAT MEANS?
I think you'd benefit from listening more with a little less of the panic you feel. I'm not disputing the fire in the barn but you'll call 911 and forget to tell them where you are. That's the risk of wandering aimlessly.

I agree with the 20%/20%. But it's not simple math. Some of the 80% are fat and some are skinny and the bulk of them are vulnerable when Little Caesar's puts pepperoni on sale for 5 bucks. This is what I mean by having a grasp of the electorate. If pepperoni was 10 bucks and only the cheese was 5 bucks what would be the result? I wonder how you would answer that question? It's an interesting test and if you stop and evaluate your instinctive answer you'll discover that there really was not answer at all. The electorate presents much the same sort of political question. James Carville's infamous phrase, "It's the economy stupid" is not the one size fits all analytical tool. If the choice was pizza or prunes it might be relevant. But that's not the choice here. Fascism isn't about choice, democracy is.

It's not enough Cricket to just listen to the candidates yourself. You have to think about who the voters are, WHAT they are listening for and who they are listening to. Only then can you interpret what the tea leaves are telling you. The trap you speak of is the one you've created for yourself. It's roots come from panic.

Years ago I was a devoted fan of Dallas on TV. I missed the first couple of years but once hooked I stayed until the end. Of all the shows I watched one scene resonated above all others and I never forgot it. Bobby was whining to his father Jock about the power that Jock had given him to run Ewing Oil. Jock cut him off in an unmistakable and stern way saying...."real power is not something someone gives you, its something you take". How does one not hear that? Mitch McConnell knows that, Nancy Pelosi does too. The voters demonstrated they knew that in the 2018 mid-terms. Are the voters 'asking' the current candidates for change or do they intend to 'take' the change they want? It's not Gerald Ford's America Cricket. Until you see things clearly enough to see the nuances you won't be able to read the electorate, and you won't be able to see WHAT they intend to TAKE. The REAL power is not in the how of it.


Seattlechick8 67F

11/4/2019 1:44 am

ET this is the first Time In All Those Yrs I
Brought it up sweetheart lol
And I capatalize Only To piss you liberals Off
And You all Fall For It Every Time
I’m Enjoying It Actually


Seattlechick8 67F

11/4/2019 1:54 am

And You Liberals Demean Liszt All The Time
For Not Being Smart-Ding Dong Dummy
He’s A Helluva Lot Smarter Then YOU And All Your
Left Wingers In Here Combined
And You Hardly Did That 2nd Handle As A Joke
YOU got so pissed That Night Maisie And Liszt And Dan
Brought It Up For Days You Came On Saying How Dare They?
You’ve Only Always Had 1 Handle In Here-Baloney


LeafReport 73M

11/4/2019 2:16 am

    Quoting Seattlechick8:
    ET this is the first Time In All Those Yrs I
    Brought it up sweetheart lol
    And I capatalize Only To piss you liberals Off
    And You all Fall For It Every Time
    I’m Enjoying It Actually
Well...at least its not a mattress surrounded by hookers in a Russian hotel room.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/4/2019 6:35 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    I think you'd benefit from listening more with a little less of the panic you feel. I'm not disputing the fire in the barn but you'll call 911 and forget to tell them where you are. That's the risk of wandering aimlessly.

    I agree with the 20%/20%. But it's not simple math. Some of the 80% are fat and some are skinny and the bulk of them are vulnerable when Little Caesar's puts pepperoni on sale for 5 bucks. This is what I mean by having a grasp of the electorate. If pepperoni was 10 bucks and only the cheese was 5 bucks what would be the result? I wonder how you would answer that question? It's an interesting test and if you stop and evaluate your instinctive answer you'll discover that there really was not answer at all. The electorate presents much the same sort of political question. James Carville's infamous phrase, "It's the economy stupid" is not the one size fits all analytical tool. If the choice was pizza or prunes it might be relevant. But that's not the choice here. Fascism isn't about choice, democracy is.

    It's not enough Cricket to just listen to the candidates yourself. You have to think about who the voters are, WHAT they are listening for and who they are listening to. Only then can you interpret what the tea leaves are telling you. The trap you speak of is the one you've created for yourself. It's roots come from panic.

    Years ago I was a devoted fan of Dallas on TV. I missed the first couple of years but once hooked I stayed until the end. Of all the shows I watched one scene resonated above all others and I never forgot it. Bobby was whining to his father Jock about the power that Jock had given him to run Ewing Oil. Jock cut him off in an unmistakable and stern way saying...."real power is not something someone gives you, its something you take". How does one not hear that? Mitch McConnell knows that, Nancy Pelosi does too. The voters demonstrated they knew that in the 2018 mid-terms. Are the voters 'asking' the current candidates for change or do they intend to 'take' the change they want? It's not Gerald Ford's America Cricket. Until you see things clearly enough to see the nuances you won't be able to read the electorate, and you won't be able to see WHAT they intend to TAKE. The REAL power is not in the how of it.
You are better than most.. but still you have a failure to see beyond the words. It's hard to see different mindsets. Our equality and commonality rests within our own mindset that excludes all others...

" Bobby was whining to his father Jock about the power that Jock had given him to run Ewing Oil. Jock cut him off in an unmistakable and stern way saying...."real power is not something someone gives you, its something you take". How does one not hear that? "

Interesting view???? of your mindset...And your commonality with those you seem to oppose. When REAL power is given and not something you take.

For example.
The responsibility for power taken..Is to yourself... And getting the power is not that hard .. Because it can be both real and imaginary.. Either way. It's not about taking the power it's about keeping the power. The once incomprehensible ideas invoked of the what and how to keep the power.

The idea that once taken, it becomes an entitlement.. Earned power.
You don't give power to the "sheep", who could give it to you. Once you've TAKEN it. I never say we are going to take the power from Trump... I say WE are going to take the power back

The ideas of different ideologies... have their commonality too. Good intentions or bad, right or wrong, truth and lies....become personal choices.. that are reflected in One OWN mindset..And then truth.. becomes Lies and Lies become the truth...All in the name of POWER.. Dalhberg, i think said it.. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. You think that has to do with what someone does? When What has nothing to do with it..Doing it for the wrong reasons or the right reasons doesn't matter.. it's STILL is Corruption. It has to do with how someone thinks.

So when it comes down to it... You join the club of anti-democracy, distrust, being Un-American Again, it's not WHAT you think..It's HOW you think about it.

The American Ideology.... is that...When POWER is given.. The Power goes to the power giver. The responsibility to KEEP that power... IS NOT YOURS.

Despite all the evidence to the contrary.. all the power keepers... All the distrust, all the destruction, all the moral failures. And my belief that I can get something back, that I never really had.. May seem like I got my head in the clouds..

But if I'm going to choose a Big Idea, and Big Plan, and take Control Back..
That's what I want. It's has always been America's unfinished business, and I ain't giving up on finishing it. Before, I move on to other "windmills"


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/4/2019 11:37 am

"I think we see the country differently because of where we both live. I've been on the east coast for over 30 years now and spent 4 in Denver. The Mid-Atlantic region is all politics all the time so I grant you I view the dynamics differently."

Leaf... The fallacy of the phallic mind.

let me give you my truism.. about WHAT that is, about where you live, about how much money you got. and your political ideology.. About your beauty and your ugliness..About your job, and About your friends and even about your family.

Who You Are....is WHAT you are.
But WHAT you are.... ain't who you are.


LeafReport 73M

11/4/2019 2:59 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    You are better than most.. but still you have a failure to see beyond the words. It's hard to see different mindsets. Our equality and commonality rests within our own mindset that excludes all others...

    " Bobby was whining to his father Jock about the power that Jock had given him to run Ewing Oil. Jock cut him off in an unmistakable and stern way saying...."real power is not something someone gives you, its something you take". How does one not hear that? "

    Interesting view???? of your mindset...And your commonality with those you seem to oppose. When REAL power is given and not something you take.

    For example.
    The responsibility for power taken..Is to yourself... And getting the power is not that hard .. Because it can be both real and imaginary.. Either way. It's not about taking the power it's about keeping the power. The once incomprehensible ideas invoked of the what and how to keep the power.

    The idea that once taken, it becomes an entitlement.. Earned power.
    You don't give power to the "sheep", who could give it to you. Once you've TAKEN it. I never say we are going to take the power from Trump... I say WE are going to take the power back

    The ideas of different ideologies... have their commonality too. Good intentions or bad, right or wrong, truth and lies....become personal choices.. that are reflected in One OWN mindset..And then truth.. becomes Lies and Lies become the truth...All in the name of POWER.. Dalhberg, i think said it.. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. You think that has to do with what someone does? When What has nothing to do with it..Doing it for the wrong reasons or the right reasons doesn't matter.. it's STILL is Corruption. It has to do with how someone thinks.

    So when it comes down to it... You join the club of anti-democracy, distrust, being Un-American Again, it's not WHAT you think..It's HOW you think about it.

    The American Ideology.... is that...When POWER is given.. The Power goes to the power giver. The responsibility to KEEP that power... IS NOT YOURS.

    Despite all the evidence to the contrary.. all the power keepers... All the distrust, all the destruction, all the moral failures. And my belief that I can get something back, that I never really had.. May seem like I got my head in the clouds..

    But if I'm going to choose a Big Idea, and Big Plan, and take Control Back..
    That's what I want. It's has always been America's unfinished business, and I ain't giving up on finishing it. Before, I move on to other "windmills"
Well Cricket Jock's whole point, and mine, was that real power is NOT imaginary. I think your whole argument simply falls completely apart because you will not, or cannot, come to terms with the reality of the voter's mindset. Until you do that I'm afraid you will continue to wander around aimlessly. It might be interesting if you rewrote the above with the vision Jock gave Bobby.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/4/2019 4:01 pm

Are you losing your mind?

Imaginary power? What do you think that is.. There is only power.. One who takes or one who gives it.. is what is imaginary...You take imaginary power or you give imaginary power... Either way it's Not real power.
That is your mistake you think you can TAKE real power.. For example an "executor" has the power to take a life. But the real power is given to be the executor. Without it, he's just a murderer.

Trump was given the power to be the President. He took that power and became a criminal. He wasn't given the power to be a criminal.. So, he has no REAL power.

Real power comes from both...the power that is given is the power you take. Again it's the what and the how..

If You take power....It becomes about you....Your ability to take power is not the same as your ability to execute the power you're given. And executor can become a criminal... but a criminal can't become an "executor"

Now I imagine you're really confused.

The opposite example..

Trump was given real power... but took imaginary power
And the real power Trump has taken.. was imaginably given.

So you think i don't understand the voter...?

You think trump was given real power.. ..Not so..he was given his own imaginary power.. That for many voters in 2016 was imaginable.....But for most voters, Now, has become unimaginable. You think as President, Trump has 'real power, Not so, he has no power over me... I have NOT given it to him, and i won't let him take it.
You pretend he has real power, you pretend he has power over you. you pretend we gave him the power he has.. Only so YOU or Elizabeth Warren can TAKE IT and make it YOURS

Jock wasn't negating that he gave him the power.. He wasn't absolving him for the way of taking the power. He was challenging him to take the power that was given to him. That the power given, means nothing.... Without How you use it.


LeafReport 73M

11/5/2019 2:28 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    Are you losing your mind?

    Imaginary power? What do you think that is.. There is only power.. One who takes or one who gives it.. is what is imaginary...You take imaginary power or you give imaginary power... Either way it's Not real power.
    That is your mistake you think you can TAKE real power.. For example an "executor" has the power to take a life. But the real power is given to be the executor. Without it, he's just a murderer.

    Trump was given the power to be the President. He took that power and became a criminal. He wasn't given the power to be a criminal.. So, he has no REAL power.

    Real power comes from both...the power that is given is the power you take. Again it's the what and the how..

    If You take power....It becomes about you....Your ability to take power is not the same as your ability to execute the power you're given. And executor can become a criminal... but a criminal can't become an "executor"

    Now I imagine you're really confused.

    The opposite example..

    Trump was given real power... but took imaginary power
    And the real power Trump has taken.. was imaginably given.

    So you think i don't understand the voter...?

    You think trump was given real power.. ..Not so..he was given his own imaginary power.. That for many voters in 2016 was imaginable.....But for most voters, Now, has become unimaginable. You think as President, Trump has 'real power, Not so, he has no power over me... I have NOT given it to him, and i won't let him take it.
    You pretend he has real power, you pretend he has power over you. you pretend we gave him the power he has.. Only so YOU or Elizabeth Warren can TAKE IT and make it YOURS

    Jock wasn't negating that he gave him the power.. He wasn't absolving him for the way of taking the power. He was challenging him to take the power that was given to him. That the power given, means nothing.... Without How you use it.
Well you seem to be trying to get there but it feels like more of an effort to invent rationale that is frankly leading nowhere instead of recognizing the reality, and the complexity, of where the voters are. That's a very important premise here to acknowledge because impeachment has temporarily frozen the debate. This is the number #1 reason I've been so strongly behind an impeachment movement in the first place. I see it as an avenue, our best choice, to reassert institutional power and hopefully stop the slide into fascism before it is too late. Impeachment can succeed in that endeavor in large part because the power to do it does not reside with the voters. Every day we wait we slip further into the abyss. Just look at what is happening in Britain with Brexit. British politicians would be better off if they just told the nation that inspite of the vote it would be best to stay in the EU. But they just won't do that and look at where they are now...yet another election and I'm betting Johnson loses, and then what? It's not in America's interest to risk further erosion of institutional power, especially with Trump as President. These are dangerous times. I don't even want to think what might have happened had Pelosi resisted impeachment for even another two weeks. We have a national emergency in America. Just yesterday Trump said he wouldn't rule out a government shutdown later this month! CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? I don't know whether you saw that coming but I sure did. It was obvious from the moment of the last agreement. This was a 'fill in the blank' fight from the outset and now here we are. It should send chills down your spine that reports have now surfaced that republicans are thinking about putting Ohio Congressman Jim Jordan on the Intelligence Committee and potentially booting Nunes as ranking member. This stuff is way beyond the consciousness of the electorate. I feel we are lucky that they are nervous enough to decide to sit on their hands for a bit longer and see how impeachment shakes out. Even if Trump is acquitted that senate trial is important. We have a corrupt Attorney General on top of all this. Fake power dissipates, real power comes from surrender. Holding onto power is not an irrelevant matter. You are correct about that. But it is the voter nuances, the geography of where they live, the cultural divide, their economic realities that always tip the balance. It's a complicated mess out there now and with the stakes so high and freedom on the line its critical to grasp the reality and shape strategy people have confidence in. New polls in the battleground states are scary.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/5/2019 5:49 am

First don't believe the polls.. they don't factor the "against". factor..I don't need a poll to tell me what's going on or what's going to happen.. the only Democrat polls that matters is the same as the national polls for Trump.. Not who is for Trump but who is adamantly against Trump.. It's the same kind of poll for Elizabeth Warren, she leads all Democrat Candidates in the against factor.

I listen to people, and try to without prejudice..
People I once thought of as nuts, can change that opinion.
Anthony Scaramucci, is one of those people....Others have said it..
In this environment.. "Democrats are their own worst enemy." Bill Maher said it too.

Your candidate, Elizabeth Warren becomes the poster child for a Republican victory.
I have no doubt that underhandedly they are supporting her.. Why, because if she gets the nomination.. Her campaign has no where to go. If she pushes it nationally she loses. If she tries the more moderate approach she loses. Which is what she will do if she gets the nomination. She will be her own "hand grenade" that blows up.her Big Ideas, her Big plans, her courage, and her control.
The politicians like Bernie Sanders and Octavia Cortez, as oppose to Elizabeth Warren, are honest...They can't change there approach to WIN.. Elizabeth Warren will.
I don't need you say let's see....if it happens
I know it already..
You said that Amy Klobuchar...can get things done, but is NOT inspiring, and is Not persuasive.
You're absolutely right.
Elizabeth Warren.. Will try to get HER things done..and she is inspiring and persuasive....But Her big ideas and big plan.. she can't complete.
What happens then?
Being inspiring and persuasive works on a captive audience...
For her and her big ideas and big plan will NOT be inspiring and persuasive to a National audience. She will HAVE TO change IT..

Okay we talked about power.. giving it and taking it. What will make Trump different than Putin? The answer... America
Why can't Trump, do what Putin does? ...America is NOT Russia.
What will make Us NOT GIVE TRUMP the Power.. That Russia has given Putin.

Their are two ways Power can be effective, both involve giving...First it's in the giving it. They have the Power if you give it to them

In Russia....Second is the power, they have over someone.. That use of power that forces Russian to GIVE IN.. Easily because they know... no other way.

Maybe America will change..but not today..
Americans and America..... DON'T "Give In" to power.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/5/2019 6:32 am

You say i don't know American voters..

Well here's the truth about that.

First, the American voter is far more Conservative than they are Liberal. Maybe Not by your definition of Conservative and Liberal..but by mine

Second, although the American voter is self serving....they are NOT elitist.

Third the American voter...has the "underdog" mentality...Americans love it when the underdog wins.

Fourth.. the American voter, doesn't "give in" to power..real or imaginary. If Trump was to be able to invoke his power without opposition.. His supporters would turn on him.. faster than you can say Pocahontas

You don't get it.. "Democrats are their own worst enemy"


LeafReport 73M

11/5/2019 10:51 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    You say i don't know American voters..

    Well here's the truth about that.

    First, the American voter is far more Conservative than they are Liberal. Maybe Not by your definition of Conservative and Liberal..but by mine

    Second, although the American voter is self serving....they are NOT elitist.

    Third the American voter...has the "underdog" mentality...Americans love it when the underdog wins.

    Fourth.. the American voter, doesn't "give in" to power..real or imaginary. If Trump was to be able to invoke his power without opposition.. His supporters would turn on him.. faster than you can say Pocahontas

    You don't get it.. "Democrats are their own worst enemy"
Well I think you just confirmed my suspicions but I do not have time to elaborate. I will later however. For now without addressing nuances that I've written extensively about your assumptions or conclusions and its impact on the campaign and the nation are utterly useless and pointless. Go back to the drawing board and let's take this deeper. Only then will you have any hope whatsoever of understanding the electorate. I'm not personally part of that debate...I have my candidate. Not supporting Warren is stupid at this juncture and ignorant of what needs to happen nationally. America is certainly capable of stupid. The objective here is to head off fascism and you keep wandering off aimlessly instead of analyzing the risks and strategies the players are deploying. A


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/5/2019 2:58 pm

    Quoting LeafReport:
    Well I think you just confirmed my suspicions but I do not have time to elaborate. I will later however. For now without addressing nuances that I've written extensively about your assumptions or conclusions and its impact on the campaign and the nation are utterly useless and pointless. Go back to the drawing board and let's take this deeper. Only then will you have any hope whatsoever of understanding the electorate. I'm not personally part of that debate...I have my candidate. Not supporting Warren is stupid at this juncture and ignorant of what needs to happen nationally. America is certainly capable of stupid. The objective here is to head off fascism and you keep wandering off aimlessly instead of analyzing the risks and strategies the players are deploying. A
Swing voters represent 15% of the electorate.. these undecided voters will determine the election. But they have decided somethings? Polling show there is only one Democrat candidate, that with these voters is upside down against Trump

For now, these persuadable voters in battleground states have a favorable view of former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Bernie Sanders, but not of Sen. Elizabeth Warren, our polling shows.


LeafReport 73M

11/6/2019 3:38 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    Swing voters represent 15% of the electorate.. these undecided voters will determine the election. But they have decided somethings? Polling show there is only one Democrat candidate, that with these voters is upside down against Trump

    For now, these persuadable voters in battleground states have a favorable view of former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Bernie Sanders, but not of Sen. Elizabeth Warren, our polling shows.


Good Morning Cricket. To begin with broad perceptions of the electorate aren't useful today. One reason for that is that the parties now have the money and sophisticated tools to raise it. and also to analyze voter concerns and shape their political agenda accordingly. That's both good and bad for the country. The Trump campaign, whomever was really responsible, was pretty smart to figure out what they needed to do to win in Michigan and Pennsylvania. I can't even fault the Clinton campaign for not figuring out what was at stake. It was truly a stunning success, and also a dangerous precedent given the subversive motives of foreign influence to help pull it off. A candidates message alone is never really enough. It's both what you say to voters and where you say it. I don't even believe in the concept of wave elections. What I do believe in however, is the power of a constituency to persuade or significantly alter the perceptions of voters elsewhere in the country. It's often been said that what begins in California eventually sweeps across the country. That is still true. Some things take longer than others of course and America also learns from the mistakes made by states. Both of those realities shape voter sentiment. It rarely comes from Washington. The exceptions would be foreign affairs, corruption and gridlock. Washington knows how to make voters angry. One of the things I like about Virginia politics is that we vote in off years for Governor. Fewer distractions seems to cleanse the campaigns just enough so you have a clear distinction as to whose agenda is right for the times. It allows the state a measure of independence so it doesn't become overly entangled with national policy pursuits. We can jump in when times are good or go in a different direction if we see storms approaching. I've seen first hand several times how that benefited the state but unfortunately the record isn't perfect. I've come to see the wisdom in the off year elections. It is distressing when it leads to lower turnout because more often than not it leads to mistakes. America just gets it right when more people vote.

So -- for example, it may be true that Americans are more conservative than liberal. So in a broad way lets separate them into a constituency, We've had two elections in recent years where the winner has lost the popular vote and the margin was nearly 3 million in 2016. Just last night voter participation in the off year Virginia election in Virginia's largest city was up by a whopping 32%. Let that sink in for a moment. To predict such a turnout would have been seen as wildly optimistic, UNLESS one had a deep grasp of voter sentiment, WHAT they want and more specifically, what they DEMAND. Unless you are a party insider, and I am not, it would be hard to reliably grasp what the sentiment is all across the country. That's not what I'm expecting of voters as they decide on whom to support for the presidency. I like to think I do not waste my vote if the reality is I voted for someone who ultimately loses. A smart politician pays attention to the opposition. They don't see the opposition as the enemy as Trump does. That is part of the problem with American politics today. Now, let's say our imaginary constituency represents the for corners of the nation, the Northwest, Southern California, Florida and the New England states. It's quite obvious that the concerns of those voters are incredibly diverse. What is the gender breakdown of that constituency? Where does the vision come from? Where is the wisdom? Who is driven by hope and who is driven by fear? It just doesn't take much for a political agenda to become either murky or so lacking in substance voters stay home. On a national scale the politics of it becomes almost unmanageable. It's tempting to throw in the towel and that's when we get into really deep trouble, as we are now the assault upon our institutions and our slide into fascism. Never in my life did I ever think, after Watergate, that there would be this level of defiance in not honoring congressional subpoenas. Tack on a corrupt Attorney General, the refusal of the senate to honor a president's choice for a Supreme Court vacancy vote and foreign influence and you have to believe voters heads are spinning here. They don't know what the truth is. On that point I think we agree. But I would argue when you take all that in, add to it the concerns in the four corners of the country and what do you think is the consensus ---knowing that the majority of the voters are women? What tips the balance for them is not what tips the balance for men. Students can make a huge difference in some states and have little influence in others. The bottom line is that its critical to AVOID generalizing the electorate. Those days are obsolete Cricket. Details matter more than ever in our society. Employers look at facebook and twitter posts. Consumers refuse to pay regular price for many things. People drive and talk on the phone at the same time. Google reads the news while you eat breakfast and then turns off the lights when you leave and adjusts the thermostat. It's a different, and a complicated electorate in America. I think a one-size fits all campaign is doomed to failure. The next president's mandate will be to help the country with the transformation that is inevitable. Voters in Virginia made that very clear last night. Things like trade wars, walls, international genocide and using foreign thugs to take down American citizens is not where American women in the four corners of the country are. There are so many constituencies in America that you simply cannot credibly argue voter sentiment, and who will resonate and who will not, without knowing the WHAT the voters are listening for. This is why Warren has been successful so far. Even if she loses, America wins when politicians actually listen, even to voters who stubbornly will not, because they pull the country in the direction it needs to go. Voters help themselves, and the country, when they pay attention when an alligator wanders onto their neighbors front porch.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/6/2019 11:13 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    Good Morning Cricket. To begin with broad perceptions of the electorate aren't useful today. One reason for that is that the parties now have the money and sophisticated tools to raise it. and also to analyze voter concerns and shape their political agenda accordingly. That's both good and bad for the country. The Trump campaign, whomever was really responsible, was pretty smart to figure out what they needed to do to win in Michigan and Pennsylvania. I can't even fault the Clinton campaign for not figuring out what was at stake. It was truly a stunning success, and also a dangerous precedent given the subversive motives of foreign influence to help pull it off. A candidates message alone is never really enough. It's both what you say to voters and where you say it. I don't even believe in the concept of wave elections. What I do believe in however, is the power of a constituency to persuade or significantly alter the perceptions of voters elsewhere in the country. It's often been said that what begins in California eventually sweeps across the country. That is still true. Some things take longer than others of course and America also learns from the mistakes made by states. Both of those realities shape voter sentiment. It rarely comes from Washington. The exceptions would be foreign affairs, corruption and gridlock. Washington knows how to make voters angry. One of the things I like about Virginia politics is that we vote in off years for Governor. Fewer distractions seems to cleanse the campaigns just enough so you have a clear distinction as to whose agenda is right for the times. It allows the state a measure of independence so it doesn't become overly entangled with national policy pursuits. We can jump in when times are good or go in a different direction if we see storms approaching. I've seen first hand several times how that benefited the state but unfortunately the record isn't perfect. I've come to see the wisdom in the off year elections. It is distressing when it leads to lower turnout because more often than not it leads to mistakes. America just gets it right when more people vote.

    So -- for example, it may be true that Americans are more conservative than liberal. So in a broad way lets separate them into a constituency, We've had two elections in recent years where the winner has lost the popular vote and the margin was nearly 3 million in 2016. Just last night voter participation in the off year Virginia election in Virginia's largest city was up by a whopping 32%. Let that sink in for a moment. To predict such a turnout would have been seen as wildly optimistic, UNLESS one had a deep grasp of voter sentiment, WHAT they want and more specifically, what they DEMAND. Unless you are a party insider, and I am not, it would be hard to reliably grasp what the sentiment is all across the country. That's not what I'm expecting of voters as they decide on whom to support for the presidency. I like to think I do not waste my vote if the reality is I voted for someone who ultimately loses. A smart politician pays attention to the opposition. They don't see the opposition as the enemy as Trump does. That is part of the problem with American politics today. Now, let's say our imaginary constituency represents the for corners of the nation, the Northwest, Southern California, Florida and the New England states. It's quite obvious that the concerns of those voters are incredibly diverse. What is the gender breakdown of that constituency? Where does the vision come from? Where is the wisdom? Who is driven by hope and who is driven by fear? It just doesn't take much for a political agenda to become either murky or so lacking in substance voters stay home. On a national scale the politics of it becomes almost unmanageable. It's tempting to throw in the towel and that's when we get into really deep trouble, as we are now the assault upon our institutions and our slide into fascism. Never in my life did I ever think, after Watergate, that there would be this level of defiance in not honoring congressional subpoenas. Tack on a corrupt Attorney General, the refusal of the senate to honor a president's choice for a Supreme Court vacancy vote and foreign influence and you have to believe voters heads are spinning here. They don't know what the truth is. On that point I think we agree. But I would argue when you take all that in, add to it the concerns in the four corners of the country and what do you think is the consensus ---knowing that the majority of the voters are women? What tips the balance for them is not what tips the balance for men. Students can make a huge difference in some states and have little influence in others. The bottom line is that its critical to AVOID generalizing the electorate. Those days are obsolete Cricket. Details matter more than ever in our society. Employers look at facebook and twitter posts. Consumers refuse to pay regular price for many things. People drive and talk on the phone at the same time. Google reads the news while you eat breakfast and then turns off the lights when you leave and adjusts the thermostat. It's a different, and a complicated electorate in America. I think a one-size fits all campaign is doomed to failure. The next president's mandate will be to help the country with the transformation that is inevitable. Voters in Virginia made that very clear last night. Things like trade wars, walls, international genocide and using foreign thugs to take down American citizens is not where American women in the four corners of the country are. There are so many constituencies in America that you simply cannot credibly argue voter sentiment, and who will resonate and who will not, without knowing the WHAT the voters are listening for. This is why Warren has been successful so far. Even if she loses, America wins when politicians actually listen, even to voters who stubbornly will not, because they pull the country in the direction it needs to go. Voters help themselves, and the country, when they pay attention when an alligator wanders onto their neighbors front porch.
There is a difference between what's right and what's politically right.. with the political division of this country.. What is right plays second fiddle..
To counteract the division, one must seek the common denominator. Not the best answer but the most widely accepted answer.
The more narrow the answer the less accepted.
In healthcare "medicare for all",, may be the right answer, but it's not the politically right answer. The politically right answer is "healthcare for AL"L....how you get there shouldn't matter. Not now, not when the answer is exclusionary.

I'm not saying that Elizabeth Warren doesn't have the right answers...She just doesn't have the politically right answers.
As you would think I don't know the electorate.. Who do you think you are TRUMP?....And express what you think I do or what I don't know..because it what you do, and what you don't know.

You wish to exclude my opinion, because i don't know the electorate..BUT YOU DO. I have at least a clue..your explanation doesn't provide any clue.

In the four corners of this country. their is diversity of opinion. Which you wish to exacerbate and change.. i don't want to change a damn thing..
In the four corners, there is way more commonality than diversity. I want to tap into the commonality.. You want to tap into the diversity. The ideas you have between Liberal and Conservative, or Democrat and Trump supporter.... You do the same thing.....Accentuating the diversity, only expands the diversity..

Let me ask you.... can find the commonality between.... East coaster and west coaster, A northerner and a southerner, an urban dweller and a rural dweller.....a Liberal and a Conservative... A Democrat and a Republican... or a Trump supporter and YOU..?

You want to discuss the issues..Well, you better find it.. and begin it from there.
You better win the "healthcare for all" argument, before you stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning the "Medicare for all" argument.
With the democrat primary and it's voters, you can assume that.. but if it comes to the national election.. you assgumption.. makes an ass out of YOU and
Elizabeth Warren.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/6/2019 11:23 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    Good Morning Cricket. To begin with broad perceptions of the electorate aren't useful today. One reason for that is that the parties now have the money and sophisticated tools to raise it. and also to analyze voter concerns and shape their political agenda accordingly. That's both good and bad for the country. The Trump campaign, whomever was really responsible, was pretty smart to figure out what they needed to do to win in Michigan and Pennsylvania. I can't even fault the Clinton campaign for not figuring out what was at stake. It was truly a stunning success, and also a dangerous precedent given the subversive motives of foreign influence to help pull it off. A candidates message alone is never really enough. It's both what you say to voters and where you say it. I don't even believe in the concept of wave elections. What I do believe in however, is the power of a constituency to persuade or significantly alter the perceptions of voters elsewhere in the country. It's often been said that what begins in California eventually sweeps across the country. That is still true. Some things take longer than others of course and America also learns from the mistakes made by states. Both of those realities shape voter sentiment. It rarely comes from Washington. The exceptions would be foreign affairs, corruption and gridlock. Washington knows how to make voters angry. One of the things I like about Virginia politics is that we vote in off years for Governor. Fewer distractions seems to cleanse the campaigns just enough so you have a clear distinction as to whose agenda is right for the times. It allows the state a measure of independence so it doesn't become overly entangled with national policy pursuits. We can jump in when times are good or go in a different direction if we see storms approaching. I've seen first hand several times how that benefited the state but unfortunately the record isn't perfect. I've come to see the wisdom in the off year elections. It is distressing when it leads to lower turnout because more often than not it leads to mistakes. America just gets it right when more people vote.

    So -- for example, it may be true that Americans are more conservative than liberal. So in a broad way lets separate them into a constituency, We've had two elections in recent years where the winner has lost the popular vote and the margin was nearly 3 million in 2016. Just last night voter participation in the off year Virginia election in Virginia's largest city was up by a whopping 32%. Let that sink in for a moment. To predict such a turnout would have been seen as wildly optimistic, UNLESS one had a deep grasp of voter sentiment, WHAT they want and more specifically, what they DEMAND. Unless you are a party insider, and I am not, it would be hard to reliably grasp what the sentiment is all across the country. That's not what I'm expecting of voters as they decide on whom to support for the presidency. I like to think I do not waste my vote if the reality is I voted for someone who ultimately loses. A smart politician pays attention to the opposition. They don't see the opposition as the enemy as Trump does. That is part of the problem with American politics today. Now, let's say our imaginary constituency represents the for corners of the nation, the Northwest, Southern California, Florida and the New England states. It's quite obvious that the concerns of those voters are incredibly diverse. What is the gender breakdown of that constituency? Where does the vision come from? Where is the wisdom? Who is driven by hope and who is driven by fear? It just doesn't take much for a political agenda to become either murky or so lacking in substance voters stay home. On a national scale the politics of it becomes almost unmanageable. It's tempting to throw in the towel and that's when we get into really deep trouble, as we are now the assault upon our institutions and our slide into fascism. Never in my life did I ever think, after Watergate, that there would be this level of defiance in not honoring congressional subpoenas. Tack on a corrupt Attorney General, the refusal of the senate to honor a president's choice for a Supreme Court vacancy vote and foreign influence and you have to believe voters heads are spinning here. They don't know what the truth is. On that point I think we agree. But I would argue when you take all that in, add to it the concerns in the four corners of the country and what do you think is the consensus ---knowing that the majority of the voters are women? What tips the balance for them is not what tips the balance for men. Students can make a huge difference in some states and have little influence in others. The bottom line is that its critical to AVOID generalizing the electorate. Those days are obsolete Cricket. Details matter more than ever in our society. Employers look at facebook and twitter posts. Consumers refuse to pay regular price for many things. People drive and talk on the phone at the same time. Google reads the news while you eat breakfast and then turns off the lights when you leave and adjusts the thermostat. It's a different, and a complicated electorate in America. I think a one-size fits all campaign is doomed to failure. The next president's mandate will be to help the country with the transformation that is inevitable. Voters in Virginia made that very clear last night. Things like trade wars, walls, international genocide and using foreign thugs to take down American citizens is not where American women in the four corners of the country are. There are so many constituencies in America that you simply cannot credibly argue voter sentiment, and who will resonate and who will not, without knowing the WHAT the voters are listening for. This is why Warren has been successful so far. Even if she loses, America wins when politicians actually listen, even to voters who stubbornly will not, because they pull the country in the direction it needs to go. Voters help themselves, and the country, when they pay attention when an alligator wanders onto their neighbors front porch.
There is a difference between what's right and what's politically right..
With the political division of this country.. What is right plays second fiddle..
To counteract the division, one must seek the common denominator. Not the best answer but the most widely accepted answer.
The more narrow the answer the less accepted.
In healthcare "Medicare for all",, may be the right answer, but it's not the politically right answer. The politically right answer is "Healthcare for ALL"....how you get there shouldn't matter. Not now, not when the answer is exclusionary.

I'm not saying that Elizabeth Warren doesn't have the right answers...She just doesn't have the politically right answers.
As you would think I don't know the electorate.. Who do you think you are TRUMP?....And express what you think I do or what I don't know..because it what you do, and what you don't know.

You wish to exclude my opinion, because i don't know the electorate..BUT YOU DO. I have at least a clue..your explanation doesn't provide any clue.

In the four corners of this country. their is diversity of opinion. Which you wish to exacerbate and change.. i don't want to change a damn thing..
In the four corners, there is way more commonality than diversity. I want to tap into the commonality.. You want to tap into the diversity. The ideas you have between Liberal and Conservative, or Democrat and Trump supporter.... You do the same thing.....Accentuating the diversity, only expands the diversity..

Let me ask you.... can find the commonality between.... East coaster and west coaster, A northerner and a southerner, an urban dweller and a rural dweller.....a Liberal and a Conservative... A Democrat and a Republican... or a Trump supporter and YOU..?

You want to discuss the issues..Well, you better find it.. and begin it from there.
You better win the "healthcare for all" argument, before you stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning the "Medicare for all" argument.
With the democrat primary and it's voters, you can assume that agreement..
But if it comes to assume the National Election.. your assgumption.. makes an ass out of YOU and Elizabeth Warren.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/6/2019 11:42 am

I wrote about the election yesterday.. Kentucky and Virginia and on the other side Mississippi
You will find a justification, for YOUR positions, when No such justifications exists..

Gun control, racism, income equality, Trump and his Lies, Big business and taxes, Medicare for All, and corruption, weren't on the ballot..

You need to figure out what exactly what was ON the Ballot. That's the commonality
.


LeafReport 73M

11/7/2019 3:00 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    I wrote about the election yesterday.. Kentucky and Virginia and on the other side Mississippi
    You will find a justification, for YOUR positions, when No such justifications exists..

    Gun control, racism, income equality, Trump and his Lies, Big business and taxes, Medicare for All, and corruption, weren't on the ballot..

    You need to figure out what exactly what was ON the Ballot. That's the commonality.
There's always a justification for a vote Cricket the point is its often diverse. It is true that "WHAT" was on the ballot matters. It sure as hell does.


LeafReport 73M

11/7/2019 3:20 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    There is a difference between what's right and what's politically right..
    With the political division of this country.. What is right plays second fiddle..
    To counteract the division, one must seek the common denominator. Not the best answer but the most widely accepted answer.
    The more narrow the answer the less accepted.
    In healthcare "Medicare for all",, may be the right answer, but it's not the politically right answer. The politically right answer is "Healthcare for ALL"....how you get there shouldn't matter. Not now, not when the answer is exclusionary.

    I'm not saying that Elizabeth Warren doesn't have the right answers...She just doesn't have the politically right answers.
    As you would think I don't know the electorate.. Who do you think you are TRUMP?....And express what you think I do or what I don't know..because it what you do, and what you don't know.

    You wish to exclude my opinion, because i don't know the electorate..BUT YOU DO. I have at least a clue..your explanation doesn't provide any clue.

    In the four corners of this country. their is diversity of opinion. Which you wish to exacerbate and change.. i don't want to change a damn thing..
    In the four corners, there is way more commonality than diversity. I want to tap into the commonality.. You want to tap into the diversity. The ideas you have between Liberal and Conservative, or Democrat and Trump supporter.... You do the same thing.....Accentuating the diversity, only expands the diversity..

    Let me ask you.... can find the commonality between.... East coaster and west coaster, A northerner and a southerner, an urban dweller and a rural dweller.....a Liberal and a Conservative... A Democrat and a Republican... or a Trump supporter and YOU..?

    You want to discuss the issues..Well, you better find it.. and begin it from there.
    You better win the "healthcare for all" argument, before you stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning the "Medicare for all" argument.
    With the democrat primary and it's voters, you can assume that agreement..
    But if it comes to assume the National Election.. your assgumption.. makes an ass out of YOU and Elizabeth Warren.
Morning Cricket

Well Trump threw politically correct in the trash and a lot of voters jumped in there with him. That wears on people when the 'wrong' of it fails to deliver most of the time. Tough love rarely works in politics. Rational thinking prevails in most endeavors. But it's certainly not a given - consider football's Hail Mary.

There's no point in excluding your opinion. To do that would defeat the whole point of grasping voter sentiment in the first place....LOL That's the whole point of this entire debate. You either eat the banana when its ripe or you watch it turn black right before your eyes.


LeafReport 73M

11/7/2019 3:38 am

Consensus, or commonality as you infer, is what every politician either seeks to advance, in support of their own position, or they seek it to limit the damage - when they find themselves coming up short. Whatever the result is everyone endures the persuasion phase until consensus actually emerges, or you get to the point of diminishing returns. Politicians themselves determine that by calculating when to get into the race and when to get out. The voters decide when to stop listening and that's the ultimate calculation.


LeafReport 73M

11/7/2019 4:07 am

Finally Medicare for All. As I've shared with you in the past I'm opposed to that because of its impact on employment in the health care industry. Cost control issues while always important cannot be the overriding concern. Employment must be. Transformation of government, of which health care is a part, is where Warren is right. A willingness to tackle that is critical to the country's future. Global economic realities, climate change, technology advances....all these will force transformation and the longer we wait the harder its going to be. Warren, above all others is better equipped to take on that fight and inspire a generation of innovative thinkers to make things happen. The rest of them, except for Mr. Yang, are just going to mud wrestle until their social security check arrives.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/7/2019 5:53 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    Finally Medicare for All. As I've shared with you in the past I'm opposed to that because of its impact on employment in the health care industry. Cost control issues while always important cannot be the overriding concern. Employment must be. Transformation of government, of which health care is a part, is where Warren is right. A willingness to tackle that is critical to the country's future. Global economic realities, climate change, technology advances....all these will force transformation and the longer we wait the harder its going to be. Warren, above all others is better equipped to take on that fight and inspire a generation of innovative thinkers to make things happen. The rest of them, except for Mr. Yang, are just going to mud wrestle until their social security check arrives.
A couple of things...

As much as you oppose Trump....You ignore the Trump "effect"..Instead of a problem to solve.. you see it as an opportunity. What I see you doing is ignoring the CAUSE of the Trump"effect". Which will simply bring US back to square one, without a resolution.

There is only ONE healthcare issue... Healthcare for ALL.. that 's the winable issue.
"Medicare for All" is not a winable issue. Medicare for all is not the solution to Healthcare for all.. It's a possible solution. The more it becomes "the solution" The more ammunition you give your opponents to fight the only issue of healthcare for All.

I don't know how much news you watch, how informed you are, whether you listen to others..
But the writing on the wall..Just hasn't sunk in yet. Just like Trump supporters think he can win..when I think his Presidency is over, whether he keeps the title or not. Elizabeth Warren's campaign is DEAD
I know your fighting it....but what you think, or I think doesn't matter.

For example .. I think Mayor Pete should win.. I support Mayor Pete.. but what i think doesn't matter. I see the writing on the wall for him too,

It pisses me off that TODAY....Medicare for All or being GAY.. sinks a candidate. More so, for being gay.. because being gay, unlike medicare for All, is NOT an issue.

Amy Klobuchar has gone from 1% to 5%..... I see NOTHING that will stop that trend. Will it end up being enough? I don't know. But at this stage.. going up is better than going down. there is not going to be an epiphany. for Amy klobuchar to make leaps and bound..It will be slow and steady.
Mayor Peter will go up, but his being gay will create a plateau. Will it end up being enough to get him over the top.. I don't know.
They say the second choice of those who support Mayor Pete is divided between Biden and Warren. NOT the way it's going to play out..The second choice behind Mayor Peter will be Amy Klobuchar.. When she becomes a better possibility.

You doubted me.... months ago... I have already proved myself... how much evidence do YOU need.. to know I'm right?,, Of course 5% ain't much, but that hurdle for Amy Klobuchar to get into the December debates.. was my only real concern.. I said month ago she would be a main factor, if she could stick it out. I have always thought she had a better chance to get eliminated from the debates..Than to NOT win the nomination..
A year ago I said Beto.. but he became a caricature of a man.. And I gave up on him.. way before he gave up.. I have now replaced him with Mayor Pete
You don't get it.....When they talk about The leading candidate.. and the subset..Klobuchar is NOW always mentioned.. That wasn't happening before... When, enlighten conservative who wouldn't mind Trump being impeached or ousted talk.. they say Elizabeth Warren has the best chance of Losing to Trump.. Elizabeth Warren is Now the leader.. in both the Democrat primary and the Republican Primary...Isn't it strange that Trump never talks about her. Elvis is returning to the building and Pocahontas has left the reservation.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/7/2019 6:37 am

Biden's attack on Elizabeth yesterday.....

"If you don't agree with Elizabeth Warren, you must somehow be not a Democrat. You must somehow be corrupt. You must somehow not be as smart as she is," he told Joe Madison on SiriusXM's Urban View. "It's just something we don't do in our party. It's not who we are."

"She has things in her plan that are just not realistic, but if you question it, she says you don't understand or you're talking like a Republican," he continued. "It's just an elitist attitude that it's either my way or the highway."


Was it a political statement, a retaliation .. Yes it was.

But it tapped into a truth...That many who oppose Warren already think.
Warren can not defend herself from that kind of attack.. It a prelude to a national election.. In which a non-captive audience will see as the truth.

Warren can't handle that heat... she has no where to go with it.
Will it effect the democrat Primary.. Probable NOT.

It will hurt Biden , more than Warren.

But he didn't say it to convince people, he didn't say it To win the nomination, he didn't say it To hurt Elizabeth Warren..He said it, not to hurt front running competition..It's an irony.. because his saying it only helped his REAL Competition.. Mayor Pete and Amy Klobuchar.
He said it.. because he believe it to be true.. he said it....because people who think it , like Mayor Pete or Amy Klobuchar wouldn't say it.
And ironically, no political pundits dispute it. They just say it wasn't NICE.. but they don't say it wasn't the truth.

So what we take from it.. was not which democrat it helped.. It's which Democrat can not beat Trump.


LeafReport 73M

11/7/2019 6:37 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    A couple of things...

    As much as you oppose Trump....You ignore the Trump "effect"..Instead of a problem to solve.. you see it as an opportunity. What I see you doing is ignoring the CAUSE of the Trump"effect". Which will simply bring US back to square one, without a resolution.

    There is only ONE healthcare issue... Healthcare for ALL.. that 's the winable issue.
    "Medicare for All" is not a winable issue. Medicare for all is not the solution to Healthcare for all.. It's a possible solution. The more it becomes "the solution" The more ammunition you give your opponents to fight the only issue of healthcare for All.

    I don't know how much news you watch, how informed you are, whether you listen to others..
    But the writing on the wall..Just hasn't sunk in yet. Just like Trump supporters think he can win..when I think his Presidency is over, whether he keeps the title or not. Elizabeth Warren's campaign is DEAD
    I know your fighting it....but what you think, or I think doesn't matter.

    For example .. I think Mayor Pete should win.. I support Mayor Pete.. but what i think doesn't matter. I see the writing on the wall for him too,

    It pisses me off that TODAY....Medicare for All or being GAY.. sinks a candidate. More so, for being gay.. because being gay, unlike medicare for All, is NOT an issue.

    Amy Klobuchar has gone from 1% to 5%..... I see NOTHING that will stop that trend. Will it end up being enough? I don't know. But at this stage.. going up is better than going down. there is not going to be an epiphany. for Amy klobuchar to make leaps and bound..It will be slow and steady.
    Mayor Peter will go up, but his being gay will create a plateau. Will it end up being enough to get him over the top.. I don't know.
    They say the second choice of those who support Mayor Pete is divided between Biden and Warren. NOT the way it's going to play out..The second choice behind Mayor Peter will be Amy Klobuchar.. When she becomes a better possibility.

    You doubted me.... months ago... I have already proved myself... how much evidence do YOU need.. to know I'm right?,, Of course 5% ain't much, but that hurdle for Amy Klobuchar to get into the December debates.. was my only real concern.. I said month ago she would be a main factor, if she could stick it out. I have always thought she had a better chance to get eliminated from the debates..Than to NOT win the nomination..
    A year ago I said Beto.. but he became a caricature of a man.. And I gave up on him.. way before he gave up.. I have now replaced him with Mayor Pete
    You don't get it.....When they talk about The leading candidate.. and the subset..Klobuchar is NOW always mentioned.. That wasn't happening before... When, enlighten conservative who wouldn't mind Trump being impeached or ousted talk.. they say Elizabeth Warren has the best chance of Losing to Trump.. Elizabeth Warren is Now the leader.. in both the Democrat primary and the Republican Primary...Isn't it strange that Trump never talks about her. Elvis is returning to the building and Pocahontas has left the reservation.
The Trump effect...wow what a great topic to tackle. I'll give you time...but why not open up a new blog on that topic so we can pull in other readers. There's a lot to say about that subject with many tentacles


LeafReport 73M

11/7/2019 6:48 am

Amy is eating crumbs from the others. As I've said several times already the campaign is frozen for impeachment. That effect is unknown in my mind and I dont think its knowable anyway. We have to wait for the hearings and that PLUS Tuesdays vote shapes the GOP message and rewrites campaign dynamics. It's nothing but wishful thinking or misguided panic until impeachment plays out in the Senate. You dont try to sail the Atlantic on a raft...at least I dont