Blog : A question for Trump supporters..

5535 posts
10/31/2019 5:59 am

A question for Trump supporters..

I spend some time trying to figure what makes a Trump Supporter.
Why I can't seem to have a reasonable discussion with them.

For each Trump supporter, I see different reasons.. singularly or in combination..
A strong dislike, and distrust of Liberals and Socialists. A strong dislike and distrust of government in general.. That dislike and distrust that makes them feel like victims.
Specifically... That creates victims, that are based on many specific segments of a Trump supporter...Conspiracists, Racists, Anarchists, Facsists Extreme Capitalists, and the insensitive.
Those that have a fear in losing what they have, and see others trying to take it away from them..... Certain Christians, Rural people, Workers, "white people" (especially men).
You don't have to be ALL those things, one of them is sufficient..But the base is always the same... FEAR, DISTRUST, HATE AND A DESIRE TO STRIKE BACK.

Of course they want to change things....but first they want to change it by giving it back..Re3tribution to their percieved perpetrators... The fear, the distrust and the Hate. That's what Trump does, they believe they can make the change later..

Okay, to my question... I believe you will have a hard time answering truthfully (some maybe)

The nature of the discussions, inquiries, investigations, and impeachment.. revolves around ....What is the Truth and what is the Lie..? Like somehow that will matter to a Trump supporter..and change their mind

My question...
You don't have believe it is true... just ASSUME it is proven and true

If it is proven that Trump withheld aid to Ukraine to force them to publicly state an investigation into the Biden..Even if they didn't investigate it.. Would that have an impact on your postition about Trump's unfitness for office.?

If it is proven that Trump does things on behalf of Russia...for personal reasons
would that change your position on impeachment

If it is proven.. That Trump sold out the Kurds. Is working against the Kurds on behalf of Turkey and Russia.. for personal reasons... would that change your mind?

If it is proven, that Trump would interfere with the elections, by any means possible, to get elected.. Would that change your mind?

If it is proven that Trump associates with criminals, is aided by criminals, is supported by criminals, Uses "leverage" against criminals for his own gain, employs criminals, and does some criminal things himself.. would that mean something negative towards Trump.

If it is proven that Trump, purposely uses the Presidency.. for emoluments, personal and family gain..and to protect himself.. both financially and politically. Would that impact your decisions about his unfitness, corruption and your view on impeachment?

You don't have to explain.. it just answer truthfully.. YES or NO

jiminycricket1 74M

13732 posts
10/31/2019 6:56 am

We try in the normal ways, to determine Truth and Lies.. We search for evidence and proof..When it's right in front of eyes..

It a common practice to understand the value of the truth, and the negativity of lie.

The failure is in those who believe it...to assume that is meaningful.

When Trump has proven to 30% of this country.. that it doesn't matter... You cannot prove what is the Truth in that situation... What is the TRUTH doesn't matter.. It's value is subjective and doesn't matter either.

The only way to give proof in this situation is to expose the negativity of the LIE.
The Truth doesn't matter....because it doesn't matter to THEM.
You can't fight the Lies without the results of that Lie. you can't nip the Lie in the bud... you must let it bloom.. There is sufficient evidence now, of the results of Trumps Lies.. To make the case...although we still fight the lies, without the backup of the results.

The only investigation that needs to be done is the followup... Primarily the destruction of people caused by Trumps Lies..make it personal, not political..
Make people care about what's happened to Cohen, and other indicted people, what's happened to Sessions, Comey, Tillerson...People who have resigned, People who have fired.... People who have been slandered. What's happen to people who have been deported, children who have been caged, and family separation... What is happening to the people of the Ukraine, the Kurds, Iranians, Hong Kong.
What is happening in regard to a widow tax, deregulation, people who taxes have been increased by the new tax law.
What is happening to Farmers, and people without healthcare, people who lose their jobs, What is happening in rural towns?

Don't try to show people the truth.. show them the results of the LIES.
Let them figure out the Truth for themselves.

sparkleflit 76F

10271 posts
10/31/2019 9:16 am

Trump supporters will claim that the Left of moral relativism and claim to be upholders of Judeo-Christian ethics, yet they support Donald Trump.....They never accuse Trump of moral relativism......they see Trump as an upholder of Judeo-Christian ethics........

I get the impression that they don't want to know what's true and what is a lie. This "Judeo Christian ethics" they claim to uphold is a chimera......they live in an imaginary realm that can be manipulated with just a change of perspective......They put their trust in the a deranged madman because facts don't matter in their reality......money, convenience and entertainment are their real values.

In the past, cults could only form in geographical proximity......with the internet, the Trump Cult has formed and strengthened by proxy......Cult by Proxy......

jiminycricket1 74M

13732 posts
10/31/2019 10:30 am

sparkleflit

Cult by proxy... I love it..

Trump is the greatest President... America has known???

Just ask him...Trump doesn't make MISTAKES.. just ask him.

Trump is a cult leader....

That eliminates the idea that it possible for him to make a mistake..
Yet in a subtle way, the good things he slaps him himself on the back for... he has an ability to share that with his supporters, even though he says it ALL him.

As Trump removes his own responsibility for any negativity.. he removes the responsibility his FOLLOWERS have also.

The main idea of a cult is to remove one's responsibilities for all actions of one's self ..Yet put the onus of responsibility on others.
If they put their support with Trump..and Trump can't make a mistake. then they can't make a mistake.

dusty117 73M

10/31/2019 3:34 pm

Cricket, don't look too hard for the answer, you might not see it...

The cult is big … and loves it's racism, bigotry, xenophobia and oppression .. what the hell are they gonna do with the truth. Your truth lol.

The cult got a voice when the Fairness Doctrine was abandoned in late 80s. Before that it was illegal for a liar, a cheap shot artist, a conman butt kisser like Hannity or Limbaugh to broadcast politics without presenting opposing views.

Conservative talk radio had a baby … Baby Donald.

LeafReport 73M

11/2/2019 10:57 am

I've witnessed the Trump transformation up close and personal. It's not complicated and yet it is very complicated. It boils down to a rather simple personal trait, but it is that trait itself that is so complicated. Trump supporters do not support Trump policy broadly. It's the behavior that they relate to. It registers because Trump has the resources and the fame to constantly challenge norms. The capacity to do that...without real consequence, is a very powerful feeling when you don't find yourself paying a price for unrestrained arrogance of wanting a fight...because you simply can without a consequence you can't live with. Trump supporters would love to be in those shoes. These people always existed...but they had to survive in a world of normal, and all the consequences of it. They still do...but in Trump allegiance to him allows them to share in that power. Without Trump they return to normal and a meaningless existence from which they will never find blessings. The proof here comes from far right leading religious leaders themselves, and the ridiculous excuses they invent in support of Trump.

What is complicated is who those people truly are...and how to give them a sense of self esteem void of consequence. With Trump in the picture, these people have 'fake' self-esteem. It's a sad thing and once the consequences of support for Trump materialize self-destruction ensues. This is what happened to the German people. It's a dangerous road ahead.