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jiminycricket1 69M
4487 posts
4/4/2019 9:09 am
Sexism..Invading Someone's Space?


Some problems really don't have a solution..Where everybody gets what they want.. And people do the right thing.. sometimes there is no right thing..

I use to be a touching person... I thought it was a magical power.. a communication that went beyond words.... both mine and a woman's in return.... For some women that communication was unwanted.. At first, I thought, it just could be me.. then i realized.SOME women..don't want that kind of communication from anybody.
So... I have become jaded about it.. and touching is a no no..

It's taken a while to realize some people are not like me.. the idea of touching, instead of a way of communication, makes their skin crawl. I certainly don't want to "invade" their space.

In regards to women...Maybe they need to have "sign" that sends the message..
"Do Not Touch". without that communication, it get messed up...the irony is that SOME women want that result of "No Touching"....but aren't willing to express, what they want.

Joe Biden and i have arrived at two different interpretations of not wearing the "sign".
It's the idea of the glass half empty or the glass half full... In both our cases.. we see it different.. I Interpret , that without the sign, I can't touch any woman.. He interprets, that without the sign, he can touch every woman.

So the first question.... Is it sexual or is it communication.?

For women is it the same..the glass half empty or the glass half full. Is either choice a "good" choice?

The second question..... what's a women's answer to it? How do they want it done as a group...Do we cater to lowest common denominator. or ignore ir

Maybe some women.. should wear a sign that says.. "it okay to touch me.. I won't break".


Archer62 78F
4356 posts
4/4/2019 9:47 am

YOU CAN SHAKE MY HAND ANYTIME. THAT FAR I CAN STILL GO.


jiminycricket1 69M
10616 posts
4/4/2019 9:55 am

I talk about labels all the time.. Because I HATE them..

You can talk any label.... but there is none quite like a gender label.
It's acceptance is beyond belief. the inability of men especially and some women... to separate.. the idea of gender that doesn't specifically apply to an individual..
The idea of a Male run society.. and women as outliers...and the misinterpretation of the gender label that creates it..
what I hate about labels... Is the part truth..that creates the whole lie. Denouncing the Lie.. doesn't negate the part truth..

the idea of a genderless society is absurd... Especially for women. they have the most to lose, and very little to gain. Equality for gender.. is not the same as becoming genderless.

I draw parallels o EVERYthing...This gender thing.. is no different than the racist thing, or the nationalism thing.. specifically it's not different than the immigration, thing, the healthcare thing, taxes, regulations, elections, values and morals....... It's the idea of fulfilling one's own needs.. or trying to fulfill the needs of others..... so most people take the easy way out to fulfill their own needs.. they have been thwarted, when using their own needs as the criteria to fulfill the needs of others. It's spitting in the wind.. Because most other peoples needs are different than yours..... Somehow, for most people.. that's just unacceptable.

Most men don't have clue when it comes to the needs of women... like the needs of woman is to become a man???? To invade a man's space...
And women don't appreciated what they have.. and think they "need.. some thing they don't have... that they want..

So for me.. I have been thwarted....because the solution is communication.. And what better way, than to use my magical powers of touching.

So.. it's a problem without a solution.. as we wander in our own space... Never to be invaded.


bijou649 70F
474 posts
4/4/2019 9:57 am

I think it would be great if people could simply greet each other in words instead of with kisses on the cheeks or handshakes or slapping your hand in a painful High Five. Apart from the germ factor I don't want people to touch me without permission.

I recall one incident in the late 1960s when things were very different. Pierre Trudeau who was our Prime Minister was saying hello to some people in a crowd and for some reason when he came to me he gave me a kiss on the cheek. That was before kissing a woman or smelling her hair was unacceptable.


Rocketship 75F
15387 posts
4/4/2019 10:35 am

It is a conundrum, isn't it~~~~

I tend to like to give hugs and get hugs, and yet with some folks I put out the 'touch me not' vibe.

How is a person to know! I guess it's better to err on the side of caution, and just stick out our hand when we're unsure of the response we may get.


jiminycricket1 69M
10616 posts
4/4/2019 10:40 am

    Quoting bijou649:
    I think it would be great if people could simply greet each other in words instead of with kisses on the cheeks or handshakes or slapping your hand in a painful High Five. Apart from the germ factor I don't want people to touch me without permission.

    I recall one incident in the late 1960s when things were very different. Pierre Trudeau who was our Prime Minister was saying hello to some people in a crowd and for some reason when he came to me he gave me a kiss on the cheek. That was before kissing a woman or smelling her hair was unacceptable.
So let me ask you.. when Pierre Trudeau kissed you on the creek.. what did that say to you....Was he communicating with YOU?

although, at that time, it wasn't socially interpreted to be sexist....Did YOU think it was sexist. Or were you just conforming to the times and not in touch with you're own feelings.? Was Trudeau giving you something or taking something away from you?


jiminycricket1 69M
10616 posts
4/4/2019 10:44 am

    Quoting Archer62:
    YOU CAN SHAKE MY HAND ANYTIME. THAT FAR I CAN STILL GO.
So let's talk interpretation...

Let's not say shaking hands.. let's say holding hands.? It's really the same thing.. YOU KNOW!

Now... I would think for you... that's a NO NO.. What my magical powers would say... is Shaking hands with you..would be your communicating with me....that you don't want to hold hands.. You would tell me without speaking that shaking hand was just being polite.. You weren't really 'touching?..... The irony for me, would be shaking hands would be touching,, and all the communication that goes along with it.. You'd be oblivious. but I wouldn't,, and i wouldn't even think of shaking your hand again and invading your space... Not because you knew it.... but because I knew it. Sorry, but i don't NEED politeness.So I can invade someone's space.

Maybe you don't get it.. maybe the idea of sexist has jaded you.. but here's the deal......I'm the man.. Yet,, I don't get to decide.. you get to decide without even knowing it.


jiminycricket1 69M
10616 posts
4/4/2019 11:06 am

    Quoting Rocketship:
    It is a conundrum, isn't it~~~~

    I tend to like to give hugs and get hugs, and yet with some folks I put out the 'touch me not' vibe.

    How is a person to know! I guess it's better to err on the side of caution, and just stick out our hand when we're unsure of the response we may get.

Well.. I'm glad you understand.. but you are good at understanding..I can count on you..
So instead of throwing caution to the wind . We've got to be Cautious.

Where does that take US?

Where in my imaginary love....that in the movies... a touch of a hand is all takes to see the fire works.

Ah! what the hell. I'll just have to accept.. I never be Mr Darcy, Sleepless in Seattle.. or in a Hallmark love story.

"Out of those chains, those chains that bind you
That is why I'm here to remind you.

What do you get when you fall in love?
You only get lies and pain and sorrow
So, for at least until tomorrow
I'll never fall in love again
I'll never fall in love again"


hiramhankwilliam 95M
4074 posts
4/4/2019 11:17 am

    Quoting bijou649:
    I think it would be great if people could simply greet each other in words instead of with kisses on the cheeks or handshakes or slapping your hand in a painful High Five. Apart from the germ factor I don't want people to touch me without permission.

    I recall one incident in the late 1960s when things were very different. Pierre Trudeau who was our Prime Minister was saying hello to some people in a crowd and for some reason when he came to me he gave me a kiss on the cheek. That was before kissing a woman or smelling her hair was unacceptable.
hand shakes and hugs have been around for many many years.

I have never heard of any one getting sick ir ill from either.

if some one has a cold, disease they know better.

folks to day are too sensitive about things. seems every one freaks out about soe thing.

I was raised in a tiem where it was common place to shake hand and hug folks both men and ladies.

sadly times have changed.

there was a time where a mans hand shake wasa bond. meaning no written contract or legal bs.

TIMES HAVE CHANGED

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


bijou649 70F
474 posts
4/4/2019 12:26 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    So let me ask you.. when Pierre Trudeau kissed you on the creek.. what did that say to you....Was he communicating with YOU?

    although, at that time, it wasn't socially interpreted to be sexist....Did YOU think it was sexist. Or were you just conforming to the times and not in touch with you're own feelings.? Was Trudeau giving you something or taking something away from you?

Hi JC: I have no idea why he kissed me but my husband was convinced that I had invited the kiss in some way. Trudeau was divorced at the time and dating Barbra Streisand, so it's not like he was lonely or interested in some stranger. In any case I don't like strangers kissing or touching me without permission.


sandy2020 77F
165 posts
4/4/2019 1:04 pm

I have just returned from France where the custom of 'three cheeks' is part of their culture I say 'Viva La France' - I have no problem with hugging my girlfriends or their husbands...lol I seriously don't know what all the hullabaloo is all about.


sparkleflit 71F
4603 posts
4/4/2019 2:44 pm

I hug my friends, men and women....but not every time I see them....Most people that I know ask permission if not sure......usually just the word hug as a question....Hug?.......especially if one of you is sitting........When I'm introduced or meeting someone for the first time I reach out my hand for a shake. Everyone has their own needs as far as personal space.....some people get in my face and If I don't like it, I ask them to back off.....just say...you're in my space......Or, as my grandkids and their friends say..."get out of my bubble"......
Understanding and respecting personal space is now the social norm.....deal with it.


sparkleflit 71F
4603 posts
4/4/2019 2:49 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    So let's talk interpretation...

    Let's not say shaking hands.. let's say holding hands.? It's really the same thing.. YOU KNOW!

    Now... I would think for you... that's a NO NO.. What my magical powers would say... is Shaking hands with you..would be your communicating with me....that you don't want to hold hands.. You would tell me without speaking that shaking hand was just being polite.. You weren't really 'touching?..... The irony for me, would be shaking hands would be touching,, and all the communication that goes along with it.. You'd be oblivious. but I wouldn't,, and i wouldn't even think of shaking your hand again and invading your space... Not because you knew it.... but because I knew it. Sorry, but i don't NEED politeness.So I can invade someone's space.

    Maybe you don't get it.. maybe the idea of sexist has jaded you.. but here's the deal......I'm the man.. Yet,, I don't get to decide.. you get to decide without even knowing it.
The fact that you think shaking hands and holding hands is the same, tells me you have a lot of work to do......LOL.....Next time you are introduced to a man, try holding hands with him and see how he reacts......


CarolinaPanthera 57F
2901 posts
4/4/2019 4:58 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    So let's talk interpretation...

    Let's not say shaking hands.. let's say holding hands.? It's really the same thing.. YOU KNOW!

    Now... I would think for you... that's a NO NO.. What my magical powers would say... is Shaking hands with you..would be your communicating with me....that you don't want to hold hands.. You would tell me without speaking that shaking hand was just being polite.. You weren't really 'touching?..... The irony for me, would be shaking hands would be touching,, and all the communication that goes along with it.. You'd be oblivious. but I wouldn't,, and i wouldn't even think of shaking your hand again and invading your space... Not because you knew it.... but because I knew it. Sorry, but i don't NEED politeness.So I can invade someone's space.

    Maybe you don't get it.. maybe the idea of sexist has jaded you.. but here's the deal......I'm the man.. Yet,, I don't get to decide.. you get to decide without even knowing it.
Good God! Are you for real?

I think you just say stuff to see if you can get a reaction from people


shuel2002 60F
5257 posts
4/4/2019 7:57 pm

What this post and the responses shows is, everyone is different. Like Rocket, I feel unless you know the person would be fine with it, don't kiss or hug someone you are not sure about. I have been hugged and kissed by people that I had no problem with but others where it felt awkward and I would have preferred no touching whatsoever. Why take a chance?

Elaine Shuel


jiminycricket1 69M
10616 posts
4/5/2019 12:22 am

    Quoting CarolinaPanthera:
    Good God! Are you for real?

    I think you just say stuff to see if you can get a reaction from people
One doesn't have to agree to try and understand..It fits all sizes and shapes..

Personally I don't shakes hand to be polite. i don't touch women.. I just can't handle the idea that some women don't like to be touched.. and. So I got to play it... like all women don't like to be touched.. without touching them... I don't know who they are.

But the irony is for me.. being touched.. never is a negative.. and most of time is one of the best feelings I can have. But, I have to be touch.. because I ain't touching anybody.

I try to wrap my head around it...In the reverse... people, who don't like to be touch rarely touch someone.. People who like to be touch.... now must conform to them.

Like most things.. to prevent the "bad" touching.. we eliminate the 'good" touching..
maybe you don't see the parallels to our everyday living and our politics.. but I do. maybe you don't see it in gender equality.. like i see it.
Maybe you don't see it... in preventing abuses.. as we destroy our compassion for the good.to prevent the abuses.

what is it that makes people against entitlement's, like food stamps, welfare and medicaid.. It not the good, it's in the abuses. So now when we say entitlements, food stamps, welfare, and medicaid... they are all "bad " words.
And so it is... touching is a "bad' word.


LeafReport 68M
1614 posts
4/5/2019 1:55 am

Hi Cricket. For the record I view Biden's efforts as communication. That's the way I always saw it. One of my fondest memories of Biden was how he greeted the mother of a newly elected senator at a ceremony on the senate floor. When he saw the woman coming toward him he opened his arms and in that big old grand wonderful smile hollered out "Hi Mom". I nearly cried. Biden just recognized the significance of the moment and he's done it his whole life.

But...and here's the unfortunate part. Some years back a new minister came to my church. He was a hugger. Every Sunday he greeted everyone at the door, and I mean everyone, with a hug. You know what? I really didn't care for it. I just felt uncomfortable. I had no real reason to feel that way, but comforting words, perhaps at some significant or even insignificant moment that gave me a sense of purpose or belonging would have been more important to me. So as I think about this situation with Biden and I reflect on my experience at church it is easy for me to grasp how some women might feel.

Connecting with people is a real gift some have. There are many ways to do it. It's important for a politician to be able to do it and its unfortunate that some choose to do so in a mostly negative way. You know what I mean...playing to the 'throw the bums out' crowd. That's not what I look for in a politician, a minister, a doctor or in a business leader. I want to be inspired by a politician who convinces me they listen and who gives me a sense of decency and confidence. Biden checks off those marks. He is more than capable of doing so only with 'words'.

What I find troubling is why this is becoming an issue now...It's clear the rules have changed. I don't think that is a bad thing, or a tragic thing. But it could become tragic in the eyes of many where an innocent expression of caring becomes out of reach for those where it makes all the difference in the world. When public perception turns negative to sully a reputation in this way is really unfortunate when it happens. A reputation is a fragile thing.


GavinLS2 64M
1495 posts
4/5/2019 3:24 am

I'm no fan of Biden, but I think this hoopla has been overblown. He may tend to crowd some folks space a bit, but even tho I disagree with him on so much I am just not ready to say he's a perv or even sleazy.

GBU all,

Gavin


Rentier2 74M
371 posts
4/5/2019 5:07 am

I have women wanting to hug regularly.
I'm not a big fan of hugging, especially when the woman smells of stale tobacco smoke.


jiminycricket1 69M
10616 posts
4/5/2019 9:30 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    Hi Cricket. For the record I view Biden's efforts as communication. That's the way I always saw it. One of my fondest memories of Biden was how he greeted the mother of a newly elected senator at a ceremony on the senate floor. When he saw the woman coming toward him he opened his arms and in that big old grand wonderful smile hollered out "Hi Mom". I nearly cried. Biden just recognized the significance of the moment and he's done it his whole life.

    But...and here's the unfortunate part. Some years back a new minister came to my church. He was a hugger. Every Sunday he greeted everyone at the door, and I mean everyone, with a hug. You know what? I really didn't care for it. I just felt uncomfortable. I had no real reason to feel that way, but comforting words, perhaps at some significant or even insignificant moment that gave me a sense of purpose or belonging would have been more important to me. So as I think about this situation with Biden and I reflect on my experience at church it is easy for me to grasp how some women might feel.

    Connecting with people is a real gift some have. There are many ways to do it. It's important for a politician to be able to do it and its unfortunate that some choose to do so in a mostly negative way. You know what I mean...playing to the 'throw the bums out' crowd. That's not what I look for in a politician, a minister, a doctor or in a business leader. I want to be inspired by a politician who convinces me they listen and who gives me a sense of decency and confidence. Biden checks off those marks. He is more than capable of doing so only with 'words'.

    What I find troubling is why this is becoming an issue now...It's clear the rules have changed. I don't think that is a bad thing, or a tragic thing. But it could become tragic in the eyes of many where an innocent expression of caring becomes out of reach for those where it makes all the difference in the world. When public perception turns negative to sully a reputation in this way is really unfortunate when it happens. A reputation is a fragile thing.
I'm just complaining that one size has to fit ALL...It doesn't...

the failure of communication goes both ways.. doesn't mean we stop communicating.

Touching is communicating.. many times like my blog, it's misread..that in itself is a communication...

My idea is NOT to control the communications...My idea is for people to listen and try to understand. Nobody does it the same...yet because it is misread.. we avoid the communication altogether..It's presented as one size fits all..

My idea of touching is in the difference.. to understand the difference one must understand the touching. To understand the touching one must touch and be touched. I'm not talking about the results, they are both good and bad.. It important to experience it... to know the difference. Yet people avoid the experience.,
The new minister and his hugging...the only truth in it.. Was how it made you feel.
You weren't wrong.. The new minister diminished it...HE didn't see the difference..
His reason was NOT about "the hug".. You saw the difference though... His hug was some kind of communication to You.. but there was no communication he heard back from you..IT didn't matter.
Biden is the same way.. Biden didn't sense, for her, his hand hands on her shoulders, his smelling of her hair, and the kiss on her head. That is the shame on him.. That his idea.. that one size fits all.

It is his failure..that leads one to believe the same thing.. that one size fits all..His actions reflect on the actions of anybody.. and soon it becomes that everybody does the same thing. It's not true..Yet one convinces themselves it is true..and avoids being touched.. so they never can tell the difference.. they justify their own belief.

The new minister for you.... had NOTHING to do about "hugging".. Yet hugging became the issue.


jiminycricket1 69M
10616 posts
4/5/2019 10:07 am

Lets talk about hugging and the differences..

First is the condolence hug....gender really doesn't matter... It a hug that communicates .. I feel your pain... you're not alone.. we are together.. If you experience it enough you know the difference,, between meaning it and just being "polite"

The gender hug is different..
In one case.. sex has very little to do with it.. and the other it has everything to do with it..
We always seem to confuse sex and power...

A man and HIS hugging.. can mean two things..

First, like a condolence hug, but not a condolence.... he is giving up his power to you.. He's telling you....We are in it together..
Or the other reason.. He is testing You.. to see if you are going give up your power to him.
If you experience enough, and it's a two way communication.... You can tell the difference.
And again just like shaking hands.. you can tell.... when it's just being "polite" and means nothing.

As most of you already know.. I have an aversion.. to JUST being "polite".


jiminycricket1 69M
10616 posts
4/5/2019 11:16 am

    Quoting  :

When I read your stuff, I don't know, whether to laugh or to cry.. In a way.. you and Rentier have a lot in common..
Sarcasm and being facetious.. both identifies a truth and a lie.
I laugh when see how people can interpret it.. and I cry, when they interpret it that way..

"If the other person is repulsive do not do it"

The irony of the answer being rhetoric.. Yet the question is both sarcastic and facetious...And the truer answer goes directly to the point of my blog
If it's repulsive.. DON'T DO IT...My point is who gets to decide..WHAT IS REPULSIVE? And more important.... WHO gets to decide that for Me..

It brought to mind.. Why I hate Trump so much.. What was the first thing that made me hate him..It wasn't his grabbing pussy... It was a speech quote... that sealed the deal for me.

"I wouldn't do that to her....JUST LOOK AT HER...."

Your first sentence.,.. both made me laugh and cry..
Party On...


dusty117 69M
840 posts
4/5/2019 12:45 pm

Cricket, nothing has changed except one thing … a slut got elected President.

I have absolutely no intention of changing anything in my behavior .. or worrying about it.


jiminycricket1 69M
10616 posts
4/5/2019 12:59 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    Cricket, nothing has changed except one thing … a slut got elected President.

    I have absolutely no intention of changing anything in my behavior .. or worrying about it.
I don't either.. it's a done deal......

But gosh... I fear the residuals...not for Me.. But For US.


sparkleflit 71F
4603 posts
4/5/2019 1:13 pm

I also have an aversion to just being polite, but there are situations where my aversion to the consequences of not being polite are greater.

I have been in situations where hugging was the polite thing to do.....Sometimes I have strong feelings of revulsion to someone and hugging them is too unpleasant to be an option......I have ways of avoiding a hug that are not disruptive or even noticeable.......One can be polite about not being polite.


jiminycricket1 69M
10616 posts
4/5/2019 2:10 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    I also have an aversion to just being polite, but there are situations where my aversion to the consequences of not being polite are greater.

    I have been in situations where hugging was the polite thing to do.....Sometimes I have strong feelings of revulsion to someone and hugging them is too unpleasant to be an option......I have ways of avoiding a hug that are not disruptive or even noticeable.......One can be polite about not being polite.
In my circumstance, and my ideas about being 'polite'... is that a polite handshake, or a polite hug.. Is demeaning..

I don't try to demean the person who's doing it.. It's just demeaning to me...I want the "connection'... if you don't want it.. I prefer you don't do it. Polite doesn't cut it..

I bought into a different way of judging others, as to how the judge me..Or what they are thinking of me.. I try to see.. what the do to others and if there is change when they do it to me.
good or bad it's the same way.....

For example....Rocketship is obviously a "nice" person and polite.. I take a special interest because that unusual here for me.. But here's my deal about it..She may be special.. but that doesn't make me special... Leaf to me is the opposite..He may NOT be special.. but he makes me feel special..
YOU.. well ... Your all over the board....Doesn't make you special, certainly doesn't make me special.. it just makes you HONEST, Even when we disagree..

So you are special to me here,.. without honesty.. i don't get the full measure of communication.... But before you get full of yourself.. There's one thing .I really don't judge as being good or bad....You are stubborn! LOL


jiminycricket1 69M
10616 posts
4/5/2019 3:45 pm

    Quoting  :

Too bad you didn't get.. my first response.. I thought you could.

Now the real question is .... Would it repulse you....About me... if I hugged a woman with hair on her clothes.

I don't fault you for not hugging.. but would you fault me if i did?

So let me tell a true story....I had a good friend....and we were talking about going to the public pool.....He asked .. How could I do that.. He would NEVER go in to public pool...People piss and shit in it.. He said the idea just repulsed him... I said okay.. but didn't bother me.. I ask him.. would you go into the ocean. he said maybe.. i said but think of that shit that's in the ocean.. and your afraid of a pool? millions of years of shit, piss and pollution in ocean?

he also said he won't eat margarine.. because flies won't even eat it! LOL

My point... he isn't wrong.. but i didn't care... he was the one that was losing out.. not me.
but he was willing to give up a day at pool, a day at the beach, or eat dry toast..because of a few hairs on a piece of women's clothing. I didn't think any less of him.. but I think he thought less of me.....so be it...


jiminycricket1 69M
10616 posts
4/5/2019 6:17 pm

Now all you Non-pool people, non-margarine people, and no hugging people.. come out of the woodwork and defend my friend......

Prove my point.. that you don't understand a single thing I say..

My friend didn't need defending from me.... I need defending from my friend.


sparkleflit 71F
4603 posts
4/5/2019 6:26 pm

I have a friend, a man in his late 40's....who gives me the most amazing hugs......I'm not sure what it is about those hugs that is so special......maybe it's because we love each other so much. It's a love that cannot be categorized. It's not sexual, it's not a parent/child thing.....it's more than a friend thing......definitely different than hugging my women friends......and there are some great hugs there........

He's not here......His brother died last year and then his father died a couple of months ago and my friend went home, many hundreds of miles away, to be with his mother and help her get settled in to her new life. He is working on the house, getting it ready to sell, re-connecting with old friends......I had no idea I could miss those hugs the way I do........They were so thoroughly mutual.....I really didn't understand how much that connection meant to me........perhaps in part, because it wasn't categorized.........


sparkleflit 71F
4603 posts
4/5/2019 6:29 pm

PS......I really really appreciate that you never admonish me for not staying on topic........LOL


bob77O21__ 76M
8312 posts
4/6/2019 1:53 am

    Quoting Rentier2:
    I have women wanting to hug regularly.
    I'm not a big fan of hugging, especially when the woman smells of stale tobacco smoke.
No one who knows you believes women want to hug you, unless irregularly.


bijou649 70F
474 posts
4/6/2019 6:48 am

    Quoting  :

My brother's cat walked over the plates on the dinner table. My ex used to wash the dogs dish with our own dishes. Yuk. I love dogs but don't let a dog lick my face. I think Biden is wrong to hug and kiss and touch everyone but he said he was sorry and would be more aware in the future and not do it, then the next day he was making jokes about it which wiped out the apology.


sparkleflit 71F
4603 posts
4/6/2019 10:01 am

    Quoting bob77O21__:
    No one who knows you believes women want to hug you, unless irregularly.
Projecting again eh Bobby?.....So transparent.....


jiminycricket1 69M
10616 posts
4/6/2019 11:40 am

    Quoting bijou649:
    My brother's cat walked over the plates on the dinner table. My ex used to wash the dogs dish with our own dishes. Yuk. I love dogs but don't let a dog lick my face. I think Biden is wrong to hug and kiss and touch everyone but he said he was sorry and would be more aware in the future and not do it, then the next day he was making jokes about it which wiped out the apology.
" My ex used to wash the dogs dish with our own dishes. Yuk".. LOL

Did it infect the other dishes?
Or did he serve you meals in it?
Did You think the dog might be offended too?

Since he's your EX.. I got to ask... did he not know how to wash dishes? Was a he NOT a Mr Clean? Was he a dirty old SOB.. Before he did that , too.

What didn't you like about the fact.. He was man that did dishes? or at least TRIED, even if he wasn't very good at it..

Good thing he wasn't me.. I'd have told you.. you don't like it..clean the fricken dog dish yourself..
I'm sure... if that happened.... in "less desriptive" words.. your response would be something like .....F*ck You.. It's YOUR fricken Dog!..... LOL

My gosh... what don't you understand about the word... WASH

You're just screwing with me . Right?..... when i think about the fact, you avoid a lot of stuff... because of where it's been..and not where it is now..........I guess sex is out of the question??? LOL.

How about kissing?

Is it ....lips that touch wine..... will never touch mine?
Or do you only avoid a "potty mouth" .... Well, that convicts me on two counts..My lips are no longer just sealed.. they're in "prison" LOL

I have and aversion too..

Lips that touch whine....... will never touch mine.....LMAO

Let me apologize now...My LoL's probably don't mean a whole lot... to someone who gets so easily offended..


jiminycricket1 69M
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4/6/2019 4:30 pm

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okay... maybe you and bijou could get a room..

She wont have cat hairs on her clothes,

So You won't have to worry about being repulsed..

You see... you made me think of cat hairs.. so maybe i'm a little repulsed at that..

Sometime we just have to forget about the "little" things So we can forget about the 'big repulsions".....Like where his/her "junk" has been! LOL


jiminycricket1 69M
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4/8/2019 7:18 am

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We talk of the repulsion of trying to turn lies into the truth. like it's some kind of Trump "alien" invasion.. WE wonder how people can believe it..and how it repulses many of US..

Yet, the ideas of truth and reality are daily conflicts for us ALL.
.Is it so different, between truth and the Lies?..... As it would be "cat hairs" and "dog bowls" and the conflict of the imaginary with the reality?

You and I have an agreed premise...We see the difference between influence and control... I don't want to change what you think, because you don't want to change what i think....However you do influence me.. Like I said .. your words make me both laugh and cry..
Most on the RIGHT.. don't understand it.. the difference between influence and control...They basically don't give a shit about influence..it's only about control.
AS they do to you, so they expect you do it to them..
There is no discussion we can have with them...that isn't their idea of US trying to control them...Because they would NEVER bother to even talk to US.... if wasn't about THEIR control.


jiminycricket1 69M
10616 posts
4/8/2019 10:03 am

The sad part.. about the Right is they have already won and don't know what they lost....

But the rub is... you can't lose what you win ....until you win it.

The victory and the defeat is in the idea of influence and control..

They have influenced Us.. to not believe in influence.
They have wrongfully accused Us of control....
The irony is... They are going to get from US... What they accuse US of.
It seems we have no other choice, but to control them. They have made it so..
What they won, in the most basic way...Is the destruction of Our democracy. Something... they made impossible to return to....In which "Making America Great Again".... is it's own destruction.
After it's over.. they will have influence US beyond their imagination...They will have succeeded.. In destroying our confidence in our Democracy. Destroying Our values, through OUR FEAR of losing them......And destroying our compassion.. with our actions to prevent it from ever happening again. Forcing US to control.. what we Never should have had to..

In truth.. We all have done it.. Void ourselves of logic... WE ALL are responsible.........Some with "cat hairs" and "dog bowls"......IN Making something matter... that doesn't matter.

More important is the strange idea of the truth..... Like we control it.. Like we can determine it.....Like what it is doesn't matter... Just what it isn't... Like if we can control what it ISN'T.. We control what it is..
The truth is what it is.....We can't do anything with it....We can't control it, argue it, determine it, or create it....The truth is the only GOD we know... It refutes, subjectively and categorically.. anyone who does not accept it.
The truth does not need to be defended..It has it's own self defense mechanism, and that's "THE TRUTH".

It's the reason I don't worry about it....I don't worry about Lies.. They destroy themselves.....Some people think they can SAVE Trump...make it the truth...
The way I see it...Trump has already destroyed himself. Trump CAN'T be SAVED.
Christianity believes anybody can be redeemed. They look at Trump and can see his "redemption". Because he has given them "The Sword" to fight back
I say, if they want to find redemption..they need to look in the mirror.

I believe in the TRUTH God......Not the Tooth fairy..


jiminycricket1 69M
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4/9/2019 6:12 am

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They say... be careful what you wish for.

So it's a good point....unless.....The wish you make.. is for crap!


jiminycricket1 69M
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4/10/2019 9:33 am

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Well that's kind of putting the cart before the horse..

For me.. and I think from a different perception... everybody may see it the same..

Everybody know there are "buzzards" flying around Trump
but some people think...There are "no flies" on him..

For me even a fly can know the difference .... Instead of "Fake News".......It's a "Fake Orange"