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jiminycricket1 69M
4138 posts
2/15/2019 10:03 am
Responsibility and Accountablity


It is my OPINION.. that Trump is RESPONSIBLE for all that has happened. He is responsible for all those all around him..In directing them to their actions. I also believe that it's the failure of THEIR actions, which has caused them to be blamed or indicted.. Trump blames them. He takes no blame himself.. Nor does he see ANY of his own actions as outside the realm of being President.

Since we weren't there, we don't know for sure.. if my opinion is true.. For me, I have not seen any evidence to contradict it.

Which brings me to the point of this blog and total frustration with Trump Supporters..The difference between responsibility and accountability.

Trump, as in ANY person, is accountable for their actions... no matter the direct responsibility.. or the results. They are accountable for their own actions, as they relate to the actions of others

Trump is accountable for his Lies
Trump is accountable for his administration, personnel, and choices
Trump is accountable for leverage and obstruction..
Trump is accountable for the current state of politics, news media, cultural divisions, dis-unification, moral derogation and distrust
Trump is accountable.. for Russian interference, Russian involvement, Russian propaganda, Russian sanctions, and Promoting Russia..
Trump will be accountable for all the future actions, Because of his failure to hold himself, Russia and Saudi Arabia..accountable

You can take it all.. and see the truer nature of Trump's accountability..
Trump is accountable for loss of accountability..He doesn't hold himself accountable, his supporters don't hold themselves accountable...Not a single person in his administration is left.. That holds themselves accountable.


jiminycricket1 69M
10467 posts
2/15/2019 10:32 am

It's evident that people who lack self judgment can so easy make judgments of others.
When one cannot, for themselves, separate responsibility from accountability.. They become interchangeable. not a fact.. but a choice
My example..... for Trump supporters would be Hillary Clinton......No matter how much Trump supporters yell... "Lock her Up".. It only goes to my point..
Hillary Clinton is ACCOUNTABLE for her actions.....Benghazi, for example, Hillary Clinton is accountable.. but like most other things....Their is NO evidence she is responsible for Benghazi.. No matter who or what it is.. if a Trump supporter is against it...that person accountability become their responsibility.

That brings Us to Trump, himself. and My opinion, that he is responsible for everything.. that I have said about him.. and my total frustration with Trump supporters..
We are in search of EVIDENCE that says Trump's is responsible.. for Trump supporters, without that evidence... he doesn't become accountable..
That's wrong on so many levels....... hypocrisy, lies, propaganda, protectionism, and moral corruption

My OPINION of Trump responsibility, becomes FACT, when it becomes Trump's accountability. Just like MY OPINION of Hillary NOT being responsible.. doesn't change the fact..... she is accountable.


jiminycricket1 69M
10467 posts
2/15/2019 11:16 am

When most of Us and history.... looks back at this time.. When all the evidence becomes known.

It becomes an opposite of ideas about responsibility and accountability.

Those who were "in the know"...Will be held responsible..for not doing things sooner..for knowing and not immediately doing something about it..

But here's the rub....Those people......"in the know"....all our law enforcement, and intelligence agencies.. and most people involved in it, or running it.. Hold themselves ACCOUNTABLE for their actions..Their responsibility is tempered by their accountability.. The accountability for the results.. if caused by any mistakes that they could make..."In the know" is not enough.. when one is putting their accountability on the line.

Our society in which Trump and Trump supporters view the events and not the accountability.. view the responsibility and not the accountability.. If that "infects" law enforcement to become the norm.....You have no idea, THE TROUBLE we'd be in. ...If one can see that direction, which is happening NOW.. It's got to be stopped..


jiminycricket1 69M
10467 posts
2/15/2019 11:22 am

It's only in one's accountability..
that one's responsibility can be known.

without accountability... there is no responsibility..

Just ask any Trump supporter..


lilium5 69F
2130 posts
2/15/2019 11:44 am

Trump, as in ANY person, is accountable for their actions... no matter the direct responsibility.. or the results. They are accountable for their own actions, as they relate to the actions of others. Without accountability... there is no responsibility..

Absolutely!


LeafReport 68M
1405 posts
2/15/2019 1:36 pm

Trump bears TOTAL responsibility for the terrible fraud he has dumped upon the American people and the grave danger he has put the country in. No rational human being could possibly argue such a conclusion at this point. It's only going to get worse as more details of this nightmare emerge.


jiminycricket1 69M
10467 posts
2/15/2019 2:24 pm

    Quoting  :

So you prove .. You don't understand the difference between responsibility and accountability..

WE can disagree if Trump is responsible for everything that has happen..

But if you deny he's accountable...Then it's impossible for him to be responsible..

All the people you mentioned are accountable for their actions..Whether it's a crime in which they are responsible is a matter of opinion. Their accountability doesn't make them responsible..


jiminycricket1 69M
10467 posts
2/15/2019 2:33 pm

    Quoting LeafReport:
    Trump bears TOTAL responsibility for the terrible fraud he has dumped upon the American people and the grave danger he has put the country in. No rational human being could possibly argue such a conclusion at this point. It's only going to get worse as more details of this nightmare emerge.
don't go there... you don't need to..You just play into THEM..
One of the biggest propaganda, and hypocrisy of Trump supporters.. is to make something worse than it need be. Don't do it ,too..
At this point, with all that has happen.. Trump accountability.. even if one could consider him NOT responsible directly (unlike you and I do)... That alone is sufficient to warrant his removal from office..He can no longer be President and be unaccountable.

I need no evidence, any longer, of his responsibility....I have sufficient evident is his accountability or lack thereof..


sparkleflit 71F
4291 posts
2/15/2019 5:09 pm

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There's no point in waiting for you to get your head out of your ass.It's obviously been stuck there for years.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
2709 posts
2/15/2019 9:04 pm

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Have you stopped crying yet over the tide getting 'Rolled?' Demolished? Annihilated? Destroyed?

I'll wait.


hobsonschoice 70F
3142 posts
2/15/2019 10:16 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    There's no point in waiting for you to get your head out of your ass.It's obviously been stuck there for years.
That was good!


bijou649 69F
378 posts
2/16/2019 2:05 am

Trump is like the Blob.....nothing can stop him. Better still, Trump is the national emergency.


LeafReport 68M
1405 posts
2/16/2019 4:16 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    don't go there... you don't need to..You just play into THEM..
    One of the biggest propaganda, and hypocrisy of Trump supporters.. is to make something worse than it need be. Don't do it ,too..
    At this point, with all that has happen.. Trump accountability.. even if one could consider him NOT responsible directly (unlike you and I do)... That alone is sufficient to warrant his removal from office..He can no longer be President and be unaccountable.

    I need no evidence, any longer, of his responsibility....I have sufficient evident is his accountability or lack thereof..
Who do you see as 'them' Cricket? America has a mad man on its hands and there is a deep conspiracy still needing to be revealed and there is no guarantee we're going to get the truth...and then what? What does Barr do then? Is that guy compromised too? His memo is VERY troubling in my view. America needs a political cleansing unlike anything I've seen in my lifetime. How does that happen? How do you 'guarantee' that it happens?


jiminycricket1 69M
10467 posts
2/16/2019 7:04 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    Who do you see as 'them' Cricket? America has a mad man on its hands and there is a deep conspiracy still needing to be revealed and there is no guarantee we're going to get the truth...and then what? What does Barr do then? Is that guy compromised too? His memo is VERY troubling in my view. America needs a political cleansing unlike anything I've seen in my lifetime. How does that happen? How do you 'guarantee' that it happens?
I see THEM as those people who do not hold themselves accountable. In regards to how they see themselves..

Being responsible for something requires being accountable.. But being accountable doesn't require being directly responsible for something..

I had discussion about "feeling guilty".. It's the same kind of thing..
Being guilty should require "feeling guilty'.....but feeling guilty doesn't require being guilty.. It's about accountability for one's self

"Them" can't understand it..
They project themselves, on to other, by a CHOICE.. to the detriment of those that "feel guilty", but aren't directly responsible, or those who are not responsible but feel accountable.
It's Creates a chosen divide, and that divide and division is getting wider.
Instead of "relating" to those accountable or feeling guilty.. They simply see it as a flaw.
A flaw to be taken advantage of..
A true Liberals ideas about being philanthropic, empathic, compassionate, and having humanity... To them doesn't really exist... It's a character flaw of "feeling guilty" and being accountable.. when one is NOT Responsible for it..

For "THEM" they project themselves in you, in just one way......If you're not responsible and accountable..and yet feel that way....
You are just pointing the finger at "them".. to MAKE "them" accountable and responsible.
That your idea is not about you ,it's about them...You want to FORCE them to be responsible and accountable.. You want to take advantage of "THEM"...When you're just "spittin in the wind" ...cause that ain't ever going to happen.


jiminycricket1 69M
10467 posts
2/16/2019 8:05 am

Think about it..????

It doesn't matter the Liberal subject.. It's all the same..

Guns, healthcare, immigration, DACA's, entitlements, welfare, food stamps, taxes, spending, wages, trade agreements, foreign policy...and virtually anything else a liberal can imagine..that they are NOT responsible for... but accountable for..
America needs to be about accountability...WE all need to feel accountable to ourselves and to others.
It's the current battle...Between US, and the President, and his supporters....
Accountability without the direct responsibility.....is about truth, equality, compassion, and justice...
It's enemies are Lies, greed, Nationalism, blackmail, deal making, uncompromising, zero balance, who are the "losers"?.... these ideas that, all and all, are about what is WINNING..??????


jiminycricket1 69M
10467 posts
2/16/2019 8:31 am

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Yes... you discovered my flaw..I am accountable for it..

I'd say.. it's not unusual for me to take longer to order it.. than to eat it.
I'm working on it though

I obviously, also have OCD.......Which doesn't make me a "bad" person...just flawed like the rest of US..I'm working on that too..

You see.... I don't mind giving you ammunition...
Because..... YOUR GUN DON"T WORK!
Not on me... but maybe you could try it on yourself

Your truth must set you free
Locked in the chamber of a gun
A casing of righteousness
A point of honor
Hard as blue steel
With no place to go
The truth will blow your mind
Just pull the trigger.


jiminycricket1 69M
10467 posts
2/16/2019 9:24 am

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Again let's focus on your idea of semantics...

For me it's obvious.. maybe not for others.. Semantics is saying the same thing in a different way.. whether it be figurative or literal.

But using semantics it becomes my the total issue of responsibility and accountability...
You prove my point by making it about "semantics"
You can not tell the difference.


jiminycricket1 69M
10467 posts
2/17/2019 5:37 am

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You got nothing to say.. but a disagreement with someone on a personal level..

You do fit the profile.. of one of "THEM".. totally accountable to yourself..

Trump would be proud of you... If he actually gave a shit about you..