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jiminycricket1 68M
4063 posts
1/9/2019 2:35 am
Words Matter..


I have spent two years trying to figure it out.. and last night I finally did.

I feel kind of stupid about it.. It always been right in front of my face..

I have been played.....

Words matter to me..whether words of agreement or disagreement..
through my entire life....Presidential words matter.. WE give deference to the President.
That words matter and his words..spoken..... have to have validity..
In disagreement, We give deference to those who beleive like we do.. that words matter and Presidential words have the most validity. We try to convince those who support the President the error of his words...

So we challenge the presidential words... such as humanity, crisis, illegal, wall, need, and truth.....WE believe in some validity to the presidential words, even in our disagreement. We question how those who support the President can't see our side of it, or ANY of ourTruth of it.

Much of the Trump support comes from people... is indifference.. to word meanings. Not having the time or inclination to even think about it...That support is indicative of those who don't feel the need to defend Trump..They are the silent underpinning of his support. They find disagreement with a President, they voted for to be Un-American.. Words matter.. but Trump words become their words and Trumps meaning become their meanings.. It's the American thing to do

But there are people who vocally support and defend Trump...They write about it and talk about it..Those people are different, Their reality is different.. So we argue, but get no where with the argument....and we try to figure out.. how to get to them.. how to show them the truth..Like if we can find the key.. we can turn them.
They hide their truth....A truth changed in the destruction their American Dream. That has been reinforce by the Republican party, That has made America a conspiracy and a corruption. And in that final realization.. That in America...
WORDS DON"T MATTER.


jiminycricket1 68M
10266 posts
1/9/2019 4:08 am

So I have now defined the argument.. It's an argument I cannot win... by it's own definition... The argument of whether words matter, or they do not.. is circular.

Of course those people aren't going to tell you.. what the argument is..
Those people need to have you believe word matters..... to make it matter that they don't believe.

I'm pretty much done with it.. the argument...

It amazes me... its so obvious..... that I could have been played for even this long.

WE know that in Trump's world... words don't matter.. and to his core support it MUST mean... it doesn't matter to them either. They have become sour, acrimonious, malignant, disappointed, VICTIMS of words.... They vow,, NEVER to be victims again.. The don't need to agree with Trump.. they just got to agree it doesn't matter..
And to top it all off... The more we try to make it matter..The more we are trying to make them a VICTIM again... the more it reinforces in them.. It doesn't matter

So each of us has our choice of sides..
For me.... I choose "words matter"

For those who choose WORDS don't.. I ain't arguing anymore..
Let me leave it with...... F**k you and the horse you rode in on...


jiminycricket1 68M
10266 posts
1/9/2019 5:13 am

I am fairly certain.. that the IRS shutdown will end by the end of next week..I don't know about the rest of it..

All other stuff can be handled.. except the IRS... the reality of it.....Is too much to handle.. It not just a segment of the population.....It effects EVERYBODY..The fallout is just too great..
If it goes beyond next week.. The long term effect of the disease will not be saved by the cure.

Trump and the Senate may be stupid.. but they ain't THAT STUPID. They will be screaming to open the IRS after next week. If the Democrats take care of it and don't allow them to scream about it.. THEY WILL USE IT to say they are willing to compromise.. when compromise isn't in their vocabulary, just lies.

You see the Democrats are even more stupid .. Not to play the politics of it... Simply don't allow the IRS to open unless the entire shutdown is resolved..
Instead of being blackmailed.. start blackmailing them... Force them to sleep,in the bed they make.. or wake up to reality..


bijou649 69F
293 posts
1/9/2019 5:54 am

It's disgusting that one old man having a temper tantrum can hold the entire country hostage to get what he wants. Use whatever words you feel best describes this government shutdown, but one thing is clear...Trump couldn't care less about anyone or anything that gets in the way of what he wants.


jiminycricket1 68M
10266 posts
1/9/2019 6:00 am

So what 's the mistake and what's the corrections?

The correction is a heck of a lot more difficult than the understanding the mistake..

When words matter meet words don't matter.. it easy to understand the mistake of it

But the correction does not go the the words don't matter people.. I goes to the words do matter people.

You can't win from your side of the argument.. You win from their side of the argument..

If words don't matter then the correction is to make words not matter..
Deal with them on the basis that words don't matter..
It the only way to show them words do matter. Do to them and think about them the same way they think about you. Believe me.... it's only way they will get the message.
Do to Trump what Trump does to you....Lie,. cheat, manipulate...so words don't matter.. he says.. "it's witch hunt".. don't say "no it's not".. say "hell yes it a witch hunt"..he's say "no collusion"...say collusion smooshin... it doesn't matter.
We don't care if you colluded or not... it's not about collusion.
He says his crowd is bigger than your crowd...say it doesn't matter...you only care about how big a dick he is..
He say immigration needs reform... You say it doesn't matter.. when America needs reform


Maisie2013 67F
19149 posts
1/9/2019 6:28 am

Do you get dizzy going in circles like that?


Maisie2013 67F
19149 posts
1/9/2019 6:31 am

    Quoting bijou649:
    It's disgusting that one old man having a temper tantrum can hold the entire country hostage to get what he wants. Use whatever words you feel best describes this government shutdown, but one thing is clear...Trump couldn't care less about anyone or anything that gets in the way of what he wants.
Good to have a President who isn't against something before he was for it, or one who caves when things get politically unpopular with the other side. Odd everyone said that not caving was admirable when Obama did it.


jiminycricket1 68M
10266 posts
1/9/2019 7:41 am

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    Good to have a President who isn't against something before he was for it, or one who caves when things get politically unpopular with the other side. Odd everyone said that not caving was admirable when Obama did it.
Go for it!!..

Do it .. Please do it..

But believe me you have no more leverage.....It's not going to get people to conform, to what you want..

*******************

It's not Trump that can't give in.... he loses when the Democrats don't give in. Don't give an inch or Trump will take a mile.
When he blackmails you for 5 billion. and you say no way..
Then he say 2.5 billion... Like it's about the money. Say "WTF the matter with you?
It's not about the money...YOU idiot.

When they say .. Your ONLY against it ...because Trump is for it.. say hell yes.. that's exactly why we are against it..
Stick a fork in him..
When one has to eats enough shit.. they no longer need to know.. what's on the end of fork.. to know what it's going to taste like.

Ask them if they understand.....because that's what they know.. about you.......Tell them "something" they can understand.. because that's what they do to you.

Don't let them TELL you .."That's what you do"....... When it ALWAYS them that are doing it.


LeafReport 68M
1157 posts
1/9/2019 8:01 am

Hi Cricket. I truly appreciate your efforts to try and nail down the reality here. I'm sorry but I'm not going to be so kind. I've written before that once Trump either resigns, and there is no honorable resignation at this point, is impeached and forced from office or thwarted whenever it become necessary until stunning rebuke in an election...the American people need to forgive the Trump supporters. That said, his remaining support is bottom line stupid. These are vicious racists to the bone, they are incompetent and greedy, they lack intellectual maturity, the ability to grasp historical reference, they obviously read at a 7th grade level, have no discerning capacity whatsoever, except perhaps a rat crawling on their pillow, and they knowingly enable subversive motivations designed to harm the interests of others, members of their own families and even their own interest. These are deplorable people, all of them Cricket. There isn't a Trump supporter left on planet earth worthy of intellectual respect.

I'm at the point where advocacy of indictment is no longer debatable here. I can't do anything about pardons, but its going to have to come to that for better or worse.


LeafReport 68M
1157 posts
1/9/2019 8:03 am

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    Good to have a President who isn't against something before he was for it, or one who caves when things get politically unpopular with the other side. Odd everyone said that not caving was admirable when Obama did it.
I wasn't fond of George HW Bush either.


jiminycricket1 68M
10266 posts
1/9/2019 8:13 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    Hi Cricket. I truly appreciate your efforts to try and nail down the reality here. I'm sorry but I'm not going to be so kind. I've written before that once Trump either resigns, and there is no honorable resignation at this point, is impeached and forced from office or thwarted whenever it become necessary until stunning rebuke in an election...the American people need to forgive the Trump supporters. That said, his remaining support is bottom line stupid. These are vicious racists to the bone, they are incompetent and greedy, they lack intellectual maturity, the ability to grasp historical reference, they obviously read at a 7th grade level, have no discerning capacity whatsoever, except perhaps a rat crawling on their pillow, and they knowingly enable subversive motivations designed to harm the interests of others, members of their own families and even their own interest. These are deplorable people, all of them Cricket. There isn't a Trump supporter left on planet earth worthy of intellectual respect.

    I'm at the point where advocacy of indictment is no longer debatable here. I can't do anything about pardons, but its going to have to come to that for better or worse.
Well.. I think you want them to be stupid... but whether they are stupid or not doesn't matter.....

What matters is not that Trump and his supporters are stupid.. Sorry.... but you CAN'T do anything about that if they are...to solve the problem.. But you simply think like THEY DO....And believe you can solve the problem the same way they intend to...

Because what is undeniable....Is they THINK you and I are stupid.


jiminycricket1 68M
10266 posts
1/9/2019 8:25 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    I wasn't fond of George HW Bush either.
You see when I'm confused... I ask..

Now... I assume that is being said facetiously......
In that context.... it's very appropriate..

I doubt maise would understand it...

Hey.... if my assumption is wrong.. I hope you'll tell me..


jiminycricket1 68M
10266 posts
1/9/2019 8:47 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    Hi Cricket. I truly appreciate your efforts to try and nail down the reality here. I'm sorry but I'm not going to be so kind. I've written before that once Trump either resigns, and there is no honorable resignation at this point, is impeached and forced from office or thwarted whenever it become necessary until stunning rebuke in an election...the American people need to forgive the Trump supporters. That said, his remaining support is bottom line stupid. These are vicious racists to the bone, they are incompetent and greedy, they lack intellectual maturity, the ability to grasp historical reference, they obviously read at a 7th grade level, have no discerning capacity whatsoever, except perhaps a rat crawling on their pillow, and they knowingly enable subversive motivations designed to harm the interests of others, members of their own families and even their own interest. These are deplorable people, all of them Cricket. There isn't a Trump supporter left on planet earth worthy of intellectual respect.

    I'm at the point where advocacy of indictment is no longer debatable here. I can't do anything about pardons, but its going to have to come to that for better or worse.
I just want to add something .. I think your missing something...of how it all makes sense to me
You understand what you want..and think everyone else understands what they want..

NOT most Republicans... They DON"T think that way.... They can't become a force , a united group, or a majority.... thinking that way... They know they can't do it...

What they understand about what they want.... is power.... not results

The only way to get it, and get people to agree to it.. is to make people understand WHAT THEY DON"T WANT.. Something I gather.....you would never bother thinking about. What would be the point of that?.. Understanding what you Don't want?..... Like you need to know that.. if you know what you want.


LeafReport 68M
1157 posts
1/9/2019 12:32 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    Well.. I think you want them to be stupid... but whether they are stupid or not doesn't matter.....

    What matters is not that Trump and his supporters are stupid.. Sorry.... but you CAN'T do anything about that if they are...to solve the problem.. But you simply think like THEY DO....And believe you can solve the problem the same way they intend to...

    Because what is undeniable....Is they THINK you and I are stupid.
LOL...well there's that I suppose.


jiminycricket1 68M
10266 posts
1/9/2019 1:52 pm

Words matter..
What we learned today.. if you didn't already know..

That to Republicans words don't matter.. Border security and "The Wall' mean the same thing. interchangeable at their whims. All border security is "The Wall" ONLY because the Democrats are against The wall... when in Fact... THE ONLY THING DEMOCRATS ARE AGAINST IS TRUMP'S WALL

Let's talk about what is "The Wall?
What is the Wall that Republicans WANT

Trump wants a wall from sea to shining sea.....many agree...but not enough to get it done. so how do you get it done?

If one think That ANY wall..Has ANY value.... then it becomes not about WHAT you want. It becomes that democrats DON"T want a wall......YOU KNOW.... THAT"S WHAT YOU DON"T WANT.. to be against ANY WALL

The wall becomes border security....It doesn't matter what kind of wall, fence or barrier one is for. or how long a wall...The only thing Republicans try to make matter is that Democrats are against a Wall.. Thus against border security..No matter what kind of wall... you'd be for.

The Democrats are against TRUMP"S WALL.. That's it.. And ONLY if someone wants Trump's Wall...... in it's entirety, and words do matter..Can one support Trump's position. Anything else.. and one, is like any Democrat, and against TRUMP'S WALL.


jiminycricket1 68M
10266 posts
1/10/2019 6:47 am

    Quoting  :

Yes ..

what a southern border wall says..

America is mine and you can't have it.