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jiminycricket1 73M
5404 posts
12/27/2018 3:29 am
2020.. and the survey says....


On the basis of interpreting a new survey... about Democrats and Independent voter being "excited" about a Democratic candidate running

Biden... .....53% excited.......24% not
Sanders.....36%excited....... 41% not
O'Rourke...30% excited.......15 % not

Most of the other were pretty equal in "excitement" and "not".. all well below 30% for each.
A couple of candidates were upside down...Sanders and Warren..

Just for fun.....Hillary Clinton....15% excited...70% not

But the winner of the survey was....." Someone" new
59% excited and 11% not.

Based on the survey...The three candiates.. that weren't upside down and lowest name recognitiion.. making them someone "new"

O'Rourke, Harris, and Klobuchar.

The three that were also the lowest perventage in "NOT" excited were
O'Rouke, Harris and Klobuchar..

They also, broke down a black vote survey....

Biden 66% excited
Harris 40% excited
O'Rourke....the lowest.. 13% excited..

What the survey tells US

Biden is the leading Candidate....But doesn't have a lot of room to grow.

Those that are upside down.. shouldn't be considered.. too much negative.

Someone New.. has the best chance.. with room to grow. Not to BE the Candidate.. but BECOME the candidate.

Of the ones we know. the favorite......In order.
Besides Biden the APPARENT favorite, who will win by default.. if others fail...

Beto O'Rouke.. Obvious.. best differential, least negative, highest unknown, least minority preference, and MOST room to grow..
Amy Kobuchar... Most room to grow.. but a long shot
Kamela Harris..... Some room to grow....minority preference, over Booker..


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
12/27/2018 3:34 am

First let me say... My preference was not based on my ideology...but what was best for Democrats..

Before this survey.. I told leaf... my choice for the best candidates the Democrats could have was

Beto O'Rourke..... and Kamela Harris or Amy Klobuchar as VP.

I didn't base it on anything but my feelings..
I wasn't "looking" for it... but I find this survey to prove my feeling correct..


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
12/27/2018 5:04 am

What I have been trying to say about the Democrat Candidate.. is that the policy enactments will be pretty much the same, no matter the candidate..
So the Candidate must say some thing else.. about the direction, future, honesty and integrity for the Democratic party. And although Biden would be a good "policy"president...of all the candidates he is the LEAST.. to say that.. no matter what Biden is as a person, of integrity and honesty, he can't escape, the APPEARANCE of being and "OLD guard" Democrat.
The success or failure of the election.. will not be in policy, but in change.. A TRANSITION, measures in the amount of TRANSITION......that's not a return to the OLD ways.. That's is Somewhere NOT in-between Kennedy and Obama. but the best of both those ends.....I do not make guarantees about this particular Presidency.....But If what i say is accomplished..... even in the ashes of policy failure, even in the burnt up thoughts about this particular Presidency....
America will rise from the ashes.

What we will come to realize.. Is it never all or nothing.

In the Trump presidency that SUCCESS can be FAILURE
And in the NEXT Presidency.. FAILURE can be a SUCCESS

That JUST WINNING for WINNING sake... is almost invariably LOSING.


LeafReport 73M

12/27/2018 5:13 am

I saw that poll too and it was the first I've seen to begin framing my early perceptions...most right but a couple surprises. You focused on the same numbers I did...the negatives. That poll told me the party wants to move on from Sanders and that's where I'm at as well. Not sure he will bail out though and he leaves me uncomfortable in the foreign policy department. I'm a bit surprised that Warren isn't doing better and I think its because of O'Rourke. I'm very interested in Harris. She's smart and tough. But I remember when Bill Clinton started to get my attention in those televised Town Hall gatherings. I thought at the time, not really knowing him, wow, this guy is smart and is talking in very innovative ways about a lot of issues that are important. That's the kind of voter I am so I'll be listening carefully in the debates and in those Town Hall presentations. As you said before...its important to talk 'to' voters not 'at' voters. I realize that intellect isn't often enough in elections (Trump proves that), but its high on my list and that's the road to the final four for me. I do not vote on charisma alone...and I certainly will not vote for right wing stupidity.


LeafReport 73M

12/27/2018 7:44 am

    Quoting  :

Trust me...nobody is interested in a corrupt racist sexual predator who is in love with a fat North Korean dictator who has told over 7000 lies as President and who had sex with a PORN star in spite of small hands with orange hair, a tie that is too long and defective feet.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
12/27/2018 8:22 am

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Of course, in your mind, Democrats are stuck.....They are 'stuck" because they are Democrats.. The "label" overwhelms everything..

The Conservative ideology has a problem with success.. when it comes to success.. it whittles away at Morals, Compromise Respect, Trust and Compassion... All is NOT good for ALL..ALL can only be good for SOME
Many Republicans, can balance it... and many can not... You know... justifying the good and bad of it....
Many can not.... and have to make a choice as to the success part and the "failure"..Balance doesn't work for them..so they MUST choose one or the other.
Some just choose success, and winning as all that matters....and the only "ALL" is them and their ideology

I was thinking of You.. when I said "all or nothing", "success and failure", and winning is everything..
I am thinking of You when I say...No morals, No compromise, No Respect, No Trust, No Compassion.....and that all justifies..corruption, election control, propaganda and lies.

But unlike leaf.... as my thoughts of Trump doesn't label Americans......My thoughts of YOU doesn't label ALL Republicans.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
12/27/2018 8:34 am

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A consolation prize?.. you are an idiot...

You totally ignore.. The consolation prizes YOU have received because of Democrats.
What Republican can give you is NEVER enough.. what Democrats can give you are gifts.. you can not appreciate....Like Social Security and Medicare and many other "gifts" given to Americans.
But you sure USE them.. can anyone say hypocrite...

You think you can only receive the "prize" with a Conservative as President? because they allow you to take, and the government is NOT suppose to give anything?

My gosh.. you did it again.. you totally proved what I said.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
12/27/2018 9:00 am

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What planet do you live on?

There's the "WALL", and then the fact you are "off the wall"

Trump doesn't stand a snowballs chance in Hell.....The Democrats could win with Pelosi against Trump... and that would be just lke running ANYBODY....
It so over....Trump can not recover... nothing he can do can recover it..His base is dwindling.. and there is NO hope to expand it...

The goal of Republicans for the last 50 years has been to make the Democrats not care enough.......Well... Trump blew that goal out the Republican azz...
Never, in my lifetime, has Democrats cared so much and it's expanding to Independents and moderate Conservatives.
In 2020 the voter turn out will be the greatest ever...And that spells DOOM for Republicans..

Sorry Deary.. YOU LOST.....when you put all your money on a crippled "nag'... in this RACE.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
12/27/2018 9:25 am

Maisie Just think.. when this is over you can start anew.. Throw away the Republican Party...... Form a new Party of ......"Old Maid" Librarians.....

No I didn't misspell it....I did it on purpose.. Kind of more like the Library of Congress than the mirage of the Libertarians of Congress.

So you see.. I don't see Trump as a Republican...and I see you as a Libertarian fascist.
Or as a Republican on the pill.. that requires the rest of the country to wear a condom...Never to have a "pregnant" thought.


dusty117 73M

12/27/2018 1:13 pm

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The question isn't what Democrat will beat Trump. The question is what Republican will beat Trump ..

Trump is nothing more than a "curiosity" at this point. The world is tuning in as never before to watch a pig in a pen eating and crapping on himself at the same time. All the while cowardly Pubs in in Washington pretend it's not happening, shaking in their boots afraid of a tweet.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
12/27/2018 4:55 pm

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Speaking of empty suits who can fire up a crowd.......The nincompoop you put in charge.......when you enumerate what he has "done" you never mention his lying, cheating or the mess he has made in the White House.........If you can't think of one "better idea" from the Democrats that are about to get to work in the House........it's because you refuse to listen.


lilium6 74F
4498 posts
12/27/2018 8:00 pm

I'd like to see someone of Robert Mueller's calibre run for presidency -


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
12/28/2018 7:58 am

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Anybody would be better.. so winning in this case doesn't matter...

Democrats need to send a message.. instead of just winning..

Democrats should not take the ideological advantage.. or exacerbate the divide that already exist..
Democrats shouldn't just talk about unity... and the adverse effects of division and derision.....and bi-partisanship.. And then turn around, with winning , and then stick it up the Republicans azz..


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
12/29/2018 7:01 am

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Trump changes his mind all the time.... he agreed ..with you once...

Like.....He once said.... "There wasn't enough MONEY in the world for me to be President."

Then it seems.... he decided there was enough MONEY...

So he got the asspiration to be President..He got "new money yah".. asspiring to be President.....and put US all ..on an asspirator.

Then he said.... "Make me President.. and I'll will Fight for you...until YOUR last breathe" When I have "sucked" all the air out of the room...