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Exit Strategy Self-Determination as to countries....is very hypocritical concept from an American and more so from "America First" point of view. .. When from almost every other world power the concept doesn't exist. It's been proven through history, and it's being proven Now.. If a single country sticks it's finger in that pie.. IT can NEVER come out clean.. I have ALWAYS felt the same about the Middle East... Ideological CONCEPTS and "Other" RELIGIONS are NOT our Enemy..You can't defeat them with "boots on the ground".. There is No self determination in the Middle East NOW.. and you can't create it. You GOT to let it play out. Our goal in the Middle East..should have been to fence them off, and build the "wall" around Israel.. A fence that works both to keep others away to keep them in.. until they CAN self determine... and keep other "bad actors" out. Yet if one....sticks their finger in that pie...They become a 'bad actor" and simply bake the pie for someone other "bad actors" to eat.. Who have NO idea what self determination is..... Since Vietnam we always seem to begin with an "exit strategy" ...but once we get in there..... there is NO extrication. Because THEIR self-determination loses it way..and becomes OUR-determination. We become the "bad actor". |
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12/23/2018 9:01 am |
Oh I thought you were talking about sex. Sorry.
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Which brings US to today.. and a couple of points.... It was a "mistake" to put our finger in it.. but once you're in....Your "exit strategy" must NOT reveal yourself to be a "bad actor".. You must return to the original "exit strategy"..and become a "good" loser. Second point you cannot allow an alliance that's for "something" like self determination, to become a different alliance with someone else against you. Third point.. we have let, other "bad actors" in.....Russia, China, and Iran and we are relinquishing the so called "self determination" of the Middle East to them.. Fourth point...and probably most important.... is OUR own self determination.. we are relinquishing that as an ideal.. For some that may seem like a good idea...that "self-determination" for other countries to become obsolete... For whatever, we do...there will be NO exit strategy.. There will be no hypocrisy. Our goal will be clear....and winning will be all there is....There will be no more alliances with other countries for ideals.. other countries will NOT have a doubt.. WE ARE A "BAD ACTOR"
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12/23/2018 9:14 am |
It is a big mess and its been so frustrating. Just last month thousands turned for a memorial for Rabin...who was assassinated by an Israeli student 23 years ago. This is where we really lost all hope for peace. It took Sharon 18 years to realize he needed to get out of Lebanon. Netanyahu has been stealing land from Palestinian Christians for years. I don't see the point of a wall...but I do believe in the objectives of the BDS movement that has led to thousands of churches, many in the U.S., that have divested from Israeli entities that have attempted to profit from occupied land. It sickens my stomach every time Bibi sticks his hand out for a buck and then gripes because he really wants two bucks.
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So when in the past have WE been right.. Well, Kuwait and Desert Storm.. was correct for a couple of reason.. First it was an Alliance, with allies and an "exit strategy".. that worked. Second, George H.W. Bush had the right idea.. the right strategy...that for most American was unclear.. Wasn't quite "American" enough for them Especially to his Son...Who thought the correct strategy.. was to finish the JOB.. and do it all his own... And we are still "paying" for that.
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It is a big mess and its been so frustrating. Just last month thousands turned for a memorial for Rabin...who was assassinated by an Israeli student 23 years ago. This is where we really lost all hope for peace. It took Sharon 18 years to realize he needed to get out of Lebanon. Netanyahu has been stealing land from Palestinian Christians for years. I don't see the point of a wall...but I do believe in the objectives of the BDS movement that has led to thousands of churches, many in the U.S., that have divested from Israeli entities that have attempted to profit from occupied land. It sickens my stomach every time Bibi sticks his hand out for a buck and then gripes because he really wants two bucks. YOU are wrong about Israel...... You have every right to oppose their reaction.. but you don't have the right.... to think of it as an action in itself.. I find Israeli.....temperament and temperance....to much more a positive thing.. than I can imagine any American or America... In the same situation.. Just think of what we did in reaction to 9/11....did we show temperance?.... When we invaded two countries, and 'hunted" them "down" to the ends of the earth... and never once.... thought of the collateral damage. Then to top it all off... We danced in the streets when we "murdered" them. Well ...it's 9/11 everyday in Israel.
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12/23/2018 11:58 am |
The "wall" for Israel.. was for protection, against an alliance who's goal was to eliminate them. It wasn't to be a carte-blance for Israel... YOU are wrong about Israel...... You have every right to oppose their reaction.. but you don't have the right.... to think of it as an action in itself.. I find Israeli.....temperament and temperance....to much more a positive thing.. than I can imagine any American or America... In the same situation.. Just think of what we did in reaction to 9/11....did we show temperance?.... When we invaded two countries, and 'hunted" them "down" to the ends of the earth... and never once.... thought of the collateral damage. Then to top it all off... We danced in the streets when we "murdered" them. Well ...it's 9/11 everyday in Israel. Now I'm not advocating destruction of the state...I'm simply stating that this government is corrupt, and responsible for much of the chaos and dishonorable negotiation. The world sees Jerusalem as an international city...and that's the way it should be. The only protection Israel needs is from the corruption of their own government. Somebody will inevitably, stupidly, and in utter ignorance cry anti-semitism. There are a lot of incredibly ignorant people here. These pathetic lightweights usually have deep veins of racism from head to toe.
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12/23/2018 11:59 am |
I will say that George HW Bush's policy on Israel...tough as it was...was the best that any American president had however.
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12/23/2018 12:07 pm |
Finally...Israel just ruined Jerusalem with that ugly wall...it may be effective however...in protecting stolen land and deepening hate in the process.
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I'm not wrong on Israel Cricket. That government is corrupt. They consistently struggle with corrupt leaders. They have committed war crimes, especially in Lebanon, they ignore UN resolutions and they indiscriminately bomb and steal property. Even the Israeli Supreme Court ruled against their own government's theft. The settlements are illegal, and they stray from U.S. policy at that. Netanyahu has been recommended for indictment...for theft. Even Christians in America who so stupidly try to justify land entitlement do not even grasp biblical truth. This disobedient society never received a promise from God that they would be given land with no strings attached. The Israelis actually started the 67 war too...firing the first shot. Now I'm not advocating destruction of the state...I'm simply stating that this government is corrupt, and responsible for much of the chaos and dishonorable negotiation. The world sees Jerusalem as an international city...and that's the way it should be. The only protection Israel needs is from the corruption of their own government. Somebody will inevitably, stupidly, and in utter ignorance cry anti-semitism. There are a lot of incredibly ignorant people here. These pathetic lightweights usually have deep veins of racism from head to toe. I hear the rhetoric of the hateful, the dividers, the uncompromising. WE can not judge the actions.. without CONSIDERING the rhetoric.. We live in a world... where the action belies the rhetoric and the rhetoric belies the action.. We don't have to understand the exact falsehood to know the falsehood exists. it defines the hypocrisy... the judgment of good and bad...that are designed... to control other's... as to one's own judgment. Alliance that are build on control.. without a clear result and purpose How then do we judge the "other's"... when they do not pass that judgment....... but simply want to left alone. "The Israelis actually started the 67 war too...firing the first shot." In a way.. that maybe true...but it's much like saying illegal immigrant in this county.. fired the first shot...and created the fight over immigration. The truth of the Middle East, like with illegal immigration and the rhetoric that follows.... Is not really about who started it...It about who's willing to stop it.. The truth is the Israeli can't stop it.. simply because they have NO other place to. go.. Just like the illegal immigrant.....their WILL is survival.....not judgment....... Nobody is opening their arms to them..And the sad truth about the Middle East is nobody is opening up their arms to their own family of Palestinians.. The truest nature of tribalism... I know you can't see it here and abroad.. but the greatest war in the Middle and between the Middle East countries will come with the demise of Israel.. As it is here.. the greatest battle between Republicans will come with the demise of the Liberal.. How the enemy, holds the different tribes together ... instead of the alliance. when the sole purpose of the alliance is CONTROL. It like a video game you can't win.. the control starts out easy.. and as you succeed and move to a different level it becomes harder and harder until you realize it becomes impossible. The game controls YOU.. You don't control the game.. so what do I see happening with Israel....the rest of the middle east want to control the "game'... and Israeli just happens to be in a place, where it's forced to play the game. It's okay for you to believe that Israeli play the game "badly".. "in a way" you're right.......But show me.... someone who's got their house in order, before complaining about someone else's MESSY home.
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Peggy.....Don't be sorry... Look a little deeper than your vagina...If there can be anything deeper than that!. Your vagina maybe your house... but it's not a welcoming home... For me I always got an "exit strategy"...I 'd never think of staying "in" too long.. you know kind of how much work and how much pleasure....I always think of my way out....What i'm "getting into" and how much power I'm giving up, by staying in too long... But I'm unusual.. I ask those question before...if it's worth it., to "get into it" in the first place. You should try to discover..... It's ALL about sex.....and HOW we play that game..
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