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Tribal and Territorial No matter which 'sphere" one lives.. whether it's a sphere of family, community, city, State county or EARTH... there is a dynamic within each sphere...Of controlling what happens within it.. When there is a "battle" for control...the sides for control become tribal and territorial.. This isn't an opinion .. It's a fact. No matter the a size of the sphere..... The more "closed" it is.. the more tribal and territorial it becomes. Being "closed" meaning... it's the only sphere a person can live within, and focus on no matter it's size. Tribalism and being territorial sets a different standard of values. Anything good for the tribe is good for You Anything the attacks the security of ones territory is bad. This is all within the realm of controlling the Sphere from within It is the where all end all.. That is until a different sphere comes along to control all the territory and all the tribes. this attack on the "sphere"... becomes an attack on everybody within it. ...and being territorial or tribal from within becomes meaningless. |
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So... let's look at tribal and territorial in America..As the indigenous Indians life was 100% tribal and territorial. It soon became meaningless when the "white' men" came into that sphere. What about America today?...What is Tribal and territorial about America Today..? Well, although I hate labels, and fully understand they are not definitive.. For lack of a better one.. I'll use the tribes as Liberal and Conservative...and the their battle for territorial control of OUR sphere, called America. How it happens in the name of tribalism.... our values are diminished Anything good for the tribe is good for You Anything the attacks the security of the tribe.. within ones territory is bad Nothing else matters.... within the sphere.. well.... what the point? I like to follow up with examples.. that bother me about tribalism and territorialism.. It doesn't intend to solve it.. just explain it I'll use Trump...mainly because he bothers me. Not Trump, himself, but what happens around him. Three things to point out about tribes and tribalism.. as exemplified through Trump.. First.... Anything he does that supports, within the sphere, the tribe and protects it's territory.. is good for the tribe and bad for it adversaries.... All 'values' excluded. His adversaries, when they talk about "impeachment" ..can not evade their own tribalism and territorialism. Finally....what I have concluded.. is Trump can virtually do anything within the sphere.. and still be supported... all the "bad" things, I think he's done, don't matter.. When each is put in relative terms of tribal and territorial. When is his tribe taken back and needs to re-evaluate?.. Well...it's only when the sphere is being attacked. I can easily see it.. with everything Trump does.. but how can they see it? Only, when he does it, outside OUR sphere.. Of all the things Trump has done. only one, up to this point, has been defined.. outside OUR sphere..by everyone. It will, ultimately be his downfall.... not directly.. but it opens the door. You need to fill in the blanks.. you need to see how it's separate from OUR sphere. How the handling of Russia is within our sphere. Trump handling of the Saudi's, and not the Russians will be his downfall. Trumps handling of the Khashoggi MURDER, and the way it was done.. It is the beginning of the end... of his tribalism and territorial support. It was an attack on our sphere..... there is no explanation... to pretend it protects the tribe.
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Interesting......I'm beginning to understand how you have these complex thoughts about Sociology without having the usual underpinnings......the terminology and the references to other people's work, that would usually be used as shorthand.......It would be like me trying to express my thoughts on Physics without knowing the mathematics and without referencing the works of Physicists.
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12/13/2018 6:01 am |
Well I don't really grasp your point here Cricket. I'll grant you that some people you can probably shove in some vague 'tribal' pot of goo...but what you are inferring is a form of robotics....one that only makes rubber bands while another makes paper clips. People are vastly different though certainly not as efficient. They know when a paper clip is adequate and when a rubber band is more useful. There is no evolution to a point of maturity where control has been achieved. These terms are vastly misused to describe the perceived 'divide' in America. There is a fringe element in society that is hung up on control, but its not a universal condition. America simply wants something real, something tangible that they can use in multitasking that is the 'life' they are living. They know trying to drive a nail into concrete only leaves a hole behind.
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Well I don't really grasp your point here Cricket. I'll grant you that some people you can probably shove in some vague 'tribal' pot of goo...but what you are inferring is a form of robotics....one that only makes rubber bands while another makes paper clips. People are vastly different though certainly not as efficient. They know when a paper clip is adequate and when a rubber band is more useful. There is no evolution to a point of maturity where control has been achieved. These terms are vastly misused to describe the perceived 'divide' in America. There is a fringe element in society that is hung up on control, but its not a universal condition. America simply wants something real, something tangible that they can use in multitasking that is the 'life' they are living. They know trying to drive a nail into concrete only leaves a hole behind. You got to understand yourself, that's what I try to do first... before I try to understand others.. find it in myself FIRST.. my words may not specifically be accurate to the same understanding...... but you need to find your own '"tribalism?' to understand theirs. And believe me... if you look for it in all ity's shapes and sizes...It's there Let me try to explain another IDEA... the idea of "empathy".. You would claim you have it.. and would believe they don't...But it's NOT true...You can't pick and choose empathy, like you can jealousy or admiration..... You are either empathetic to ALL HUMAN conditions.. or you're empathetic to NONE.
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Interesting......I'm beginning to understand how you have these complex thoughts about Sociology without having the usual underpinnings......the terminology and the references to other people's work, that would usually be used as shorthand.......It would be like me trying to express my thoughts on Physics without knowing the mathematics and without referencing the works of Physicists. Well, I am pretty consumed to TRY and EXPLAIN... Why Trump is supported. This isn't science... I don't know why.... if I did I wouldn't need to beat around the bushes. So.. what I do know is perception....is far more important than reality.. what do Trump supporters perceive about Trump.. That allows them to support him.? So..if I say to you... "When one perceives an absence of rational... It's irrational." What expertise do I need to say it?...It's an idea...... You can't think of it as science, sociology, or fact, when the background for it... doesn't exist........You can think of it as an idea or not.. I can not use science, expert thinking, Intellectualism, and references to explain it to them.. That's been tried and doesn't get it done.. Conversely.... I can't explain ideas without a specific purpose...or completed background USING expertise to YOU.
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Leaf here's another Idea.... There is no such thing as a "perfect life"...It's not achievable.. The measure one perceives as the distance traveled to achieve it .. doesn't matter... Empathy doesn't exist in the measurement of the distance one has traveled, Empathy also needs to exist in the measure of the distance one needs to travel to reach the destination.. When the destination can't be reached...does it matter how far one need to go to get there? The disparity doesn't matter... I can empathize with the lowest low and the highest high.. I can empathize with the poorest of the poor and richest of the rich. I can empathize with Donald Trump and with Barrack Obama..
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12/13/2018 10:49 am |
There is No point...except for tidbits of information I have accumulated. And trying to piece them together.. to explain something that for most people is not explainable. You got to understand yourself, that's what I try to do first... before I try to understand others.. find it in myself FIRST.. my words may not specifically be accurate to the same understanding...... but you need to find your own '"tribalism?' to understand theirs. And believe me... if you look for it in all ity's shapes and sizes...It's there Let me try to explain another IDEA... the idea of "empathy".. You would claim you have it.. and would believe they don't...But it's NOT true...You can't pick and choose empathy, like you can jealousy or admiration..... You are either empathetic to ALL HUMAN conditions.. or you're empathetic to NONE.
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COMPLEX THOUGHTS .. my azz.. BASE ideas Well, I am pretty consumed to TRY and EXPLAIN... Why Trump is supported. This isn't science... I don't know why.... if I did I wouldn't need to beat around the bushes. So.. what I do know is perception....is far more important than reality.. what do Trump supporters perceive about Trump.. That allows them to support him.? So..if I say to you... "When one perceives an absence of rational... It's irrational." What expertise do I need to say it?...It's an idea...... You can't think of it as science, sociology, or fact, when the background for it... doesn't exist........You can think of it as an idea or not.. I can not use science, expert thinking, Intellectualism, and references to explain it to them.. That's been tried and doesn't get it done.. Conversely.... I can't explain ideas without a specific purpose...or completed background USING expertise to YOU.
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Several leading Sociologists have written about the Trump phenomenon..... Now, What I have discovered, AS I SEE IT....... Is that "expertise"has much more to do with agreement.. Than respect for the expertise.... Cite an expert you disagreed with.. and because that person is an expert has changed your mind. Tell me what you once believed.. then tell me... how the "expert" has change it..... Not that your mind can't be changed about a specific truth..That's just "learning" , The source really doesn't matter. There are "general subjects" Where a person can NOT cognitively realize a change is being made.. It doesn't take an expert, to do it.. Everybody and everything does it... and you don't even realize it. You have changed me, and I have changed you....An neither one of us is a damn expert. So you ask me why.. I throw out this crap....because I believe what I just said.. I don't need to know the results....I trust everybody changes for the best... And that's my intent.. not to change them to what I believe.. but to help them change themselves to what they believe I don't think of myself as an "expert".... or even right or wrong.. I think of myself as a catalyst. The wheels will do the work.. if I just get them turning.
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