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jiminycricket1 74M
5535 posts
9/26/2018 2:45 am
Love versus Lust and Objectification


Social mores that permeate everything is virtually impossible to separate from anything.

Sexual behavior can not be written in rules ..... Like the bible tries to do in religion.

It's a social norm that can't be overcome.. with laws and rules..

Only a change in our society will change sexual behavior, and only the in society will reap the benefits or the detriment, of that change.. The rest of US, we are just stuck, with what created us..

Society has always objectified women....everyday and in every way.. the evolution of human society has made it that way..
In other animal societies.. there is the objectification of the male.. The queen bee, the lioness . or.a female spider that eats their male counterparts. .I would think that's true objectification.

We have a hard time understanding.. what makes us who we are...Societies, in all kingdoms, provide the roles of it inhabitants.. Almost invariably the inhabitants must conform to those roles, almost invariably the inhabitant have little understanding of why they play...the roles they play.

The human species may be a little different..... yet... simply in the understanding, it has the greater propensity for misunderstanding..

The rules designed to create the equality of women are misunderstood, and pale in comparison to changing social mores

I have seen it happen over the last sixty years.. The selective misunderstanding of the objectification of women, and the presumption of that inequality..

Our society is changing.... Women have the greater role.....to affect that change
In the name of objectification... An undesired ability for women to change their own objectification as to the negative. Yet, in the name of equality....try to change it to the same negative..... that will objectifies men.

The sad result being the loss of Love and the rise of Lust, greed and objectification.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/26/2018 3:04 am

Thoughts and actions...

Women don't understand the difference between what they think and what they do..

Everyday they objectify themselves... and then complain about men objectifying them.

Women have been created by the social norms... They abide by the social norms.
Then only want to change a part of it, they see as negative.... It can't be separated. It can't be changed IN PART.....got to change the whole thing to change it..
So if women don't want it.. then don't buy into it...

But if women want to do that.. Stop thinking about changing men... The first thing you got to do is change yourself.......The men will follow, believe it or not..


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/26/2018 3:37 am

The idea of the lion and the lioness.... is so misunderstood by gender..

The fact is......Not the presumption of the the Lion KING.. but the reality of the Lioness Queen..... We could have a lot to learn about the Lion and the Lioness.

About objectification and roles.

The lion in all it's glory, in all it"s presumed strength and power.. Is just an objectification of the Lioness.. With one purpose and one purpose only....

The victor Lion, the vanquishes Lion... the lioness doesn't choose who they want .. they don't give a shit.. Either will serve the purpose. that's objectification.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
9/26/2018 8:55 am

Wow, the biggest, most reeking pile of crap yet........are you serious with this nonsense? .......


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/26/2018 2:17 pm

Well, I am serious..

Societal norms.. objectify women.
And women who buy into it.... objectify themselves.

There isn't a straight teenage boy out there that doesn't objectify women..It what they see. It's what they've learned. it's what they think.........distinguishing women outside of their looks.. is something very few teenage boy do and women are complicit in that happening.

In fact.... the changing society is now that women can objectify men.. we see it now...maybe it was hidden before. but now it's more out in the open..
The criteria for objectifying... use to be quite different .. but now it's grown very similar.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/26/2018 11:28 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Wow, the biggest, most reeking pile of crap yet........are you serious with this nonsense? .......
There's a big difference in trying to explain the "big picture' and using it to justify.

We are normally confronted here with the purpose of justification....and we assume that's everybody's purpose. It's not mine..

Those that think in terms of justification.. have a hard time thinking any other way..

I have no agenda here.. think what you want.. I'm not defending men, nor defending women.....but arguing against the divide. It's complicatedly intertwined....A sweater with frayed threads that stick out....That we just can't help.... but pull the threads.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
9/27/2018 10:55 am

"Women don't understand the difference between what they think and what they do..

Everyday they objectify themselves... and then complain about men objectifying them."

Seriously? "Women" don't understand themselves, but Jiminycricket does?.....Jiminycricket understands Women and is here to save us from ourselves.......I'm embarrassed for you.....


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/29/2018 5:25 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    "Women don't understand the difference between what they think and what they do..

    Everyday they objectify themselves... and then complain about men objectifying them."

    Seriously? "Women" don't understand themselves, but Jiminycricket does?.....Jiminycricket understands Women and is here to save us from ourselves.......I'm embarrassed for you.....
First I need to say... what I talk about is MY observations...and you have the audacity to complain about my understanding of women.. You objectify me..
You tell me My observation doesn't mean anything because I am NOT something. When the something I am..is all it should be about

The social norms for women objectify them...
From their looks, their fashions, occupation norms, marriage norms, and their seduction....

Every single portion of women's body has been objectified... Think about a women's hair and how defining that is. How it all conforms to social norms, and how women allow it conform to social norm. How from their beginning their hair is self defining.
When a women chooses to be bald... what does that say?.... but a rejection of objectification

It works in reverse too..
Women can objectify themselves, and women can objectify women.. but MEN can not objectify women.... Women should have the rights of Men.. but Men do not have the rights of women..

There's a joke about a husband and wife, wage earners. and a women that believes.. her money is HERS and his money is OURS
This is not just a joke about money.. It's about a lot of things.. It's a mindset evolved from convoluted social norms.

Of course I am not a women.....are You?...If you are..then my observation as a man...either positive or negative... should be far more enlightening to you about this subject, than your own.

If what you have said to me is true then nothing matters....Is it logical that if I can't understand you as a women....then you can't understand me as a man?.....And just like me to you.... if you can't understand me as a man... What gives you the RIght to assume you can?
My being a MAN may mean I can't understand you.. but to me... Your being HUMAN means you CAN understand me.... And so again ... YOU OBJECTIFY ME.

You may not be a conforming women, and fit what I have said..
but certainly.... you prove my statement that what you think.. is not what you do.