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jiminycricket1 73M
5404 posts
5/29/2018 8:29 am
1968


That's the year I graduated from high school...It is also a four part special on CNN about the year that changed America.... My gosh... I had forgotten so much..and my realization of that time..about that time... was My Truth....but it wasn't THE TRUTH....I was an "insider" looking out....Although there was conflict within myself....I never could fully relate to an "outsider" looking in.
What I realized is that history is repeating itself.. but in reverse..

I'm not taking "sides" here because when it comes down to it.. taking sides has always been the problem.
One needs to understand the simplicity of the base of the problem, before one can understand and correct all the complications that result from it.
Political, racial, economic, and social has always had the same base problem...the "INSIDERS" and the "OUTSIDERS". When in fact.. there is no such thing .. only that which you create in your own mind...

In 1968.. I didn't see clearly...didn't know what I was looking at..
A presidential election year... I didn't know...who was representing and what they were representing........Johnson, Humphrey, MCcarthy, and RFK. I never realized the certainty of Humphrey nomination.. I thought we were free to decide.. any chance of that freedom was removed when RFK was killed...It killed our freedom, which at that time MAY have already been dead with JFK but we didn't know it.
Then there was Nixon, Rockefeller and Wallace... Unbelievable the support Wallace got..and that minority has never vanished........and a new era of campaign strategy, was developed. that has taken us here.. to where we are now..
The racial problems....magnified...by a little realized garbage man strike in Memphis.
Martin Luther King...and the right to protest peacefully came under fire. And with the idea of peace came death to MLK..
That old men could create a war in which young men had to died..
In amazement i watched the Chicago Democrat Convention, and the situations at colleges and Universities, especially Columbia...And I saw police brutality that was NOT racially motivated.. That the beatdown.. was not so much about black "outsiders" as it was White "outsiders"... ""traitors always get the worst of it...as opposed to the enemy..
Yes. it was both appalling and absurd.........And now we want to Repeat it. In fact we have repeated it.. It lost then.. and it will lose NOW.
Yes repeating history and hoping for a different outcome..Yes, that is absurd.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
5/29/2018 8:35 am

So I have returned momentarily...
My motivation was a result of A TV show....
I am no longer motivated by what is said here.
But I do like to share.. even if it's not understood... and sharing gets it off my chest.
This happens to be the place i have done it before... so as saying goes..... you can't teach "old dogs' new tricks.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
5/29/2018 9:30 am

The outcomes from History are always right... History has all the time to make it right. But we may Not..

those that want to challenge history......to say the outcome was wrong.....Do just the opposite..... they simply enhance the reasoning and morality...That always means the outcomes of history are right...

Of course... this is known.. by anyone who has half a brain...
But here's the deal, NOW,
Repeating History and wanting a different results cannot be done....Unless someone attacks the true meaning of why history has always been right..
You can't change History
So....You just have to change the reasoning and morality of it.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
5/29/2018 9:43 am

    Quoting  :

Yes that would true.. If I was taking a side and trying say something about that.. But I'm not...
It's either side.. It's both sides.

It's not different when it gets turned inside out..
And the outsiders simply become the insiders..

That's happening too... I don't want to get into the reasons why.. It's doesn't really matter.. who sees who.. as an "outsider" or an "insider"..It's all the same thing .. because there is no such thing. You may be an "insider" who can't see outside yourself.. but then again.... there are plenty of "outsiders" who can't see inside themselves.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
5/29/2018 10:00 am

    Quoting  :

Yes......but JFK assassination was not a freedom killer... It was a dream killer...It took from US.. The idea of US.. and put the gun in our hands to determine our own fate...Instead of putting it the hands of someone else. It freed Us to take away the freedom of others...as they had taken away our dream...
AS it is.... the truth about life, and the truth about GOD, and the truth about America...Is reality can be a bitch.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
5/29/2018 10:47 am

Probably the most important thing I saw was the complicity.. My own complicity, and the complicity of others... And how that relates to today.......
The Democrats at that time.. were responsible for the complicity. Hubert Humphrey was the worst, of it.....Hubert Humphrey was a "dog".. and It was the Democrats who were complicit.
It is no doubt that the choice in 1968.. was no different than the choice of 2016.. except now it's the Republicans who are complicit..
Two wrongs don't make a right...unless you're part of the RIGHT.
The irony and history repeating itself.. When you got two wrongs....either way... who gets elected....It's going to be wrong....but we can only assume that about the Democrats..... But we can find out the truth of it, by who gets elected.....soon enough.


bijou624

5/29/2018 11:13 am

In Canada people here were shocked when both Kennedy brothers and Martin Luther King were assassinated. I think all those CNN specials are amazing.

This isn't about politics but In 1968 two big events happened in my life. I got married and my husband and I went on the Newlywed Game and we won. We were really surprised to find that the Newlywed Game is fixed. They give you the questions in advance. My husband and I got all the answers right and won by a landslide but we had both been on t.v. before so we weren't as nervous as the other couples who managed to get every question wrong. To make the other couples even more nervous the director kept yelling at them during the commercials to remember their answers.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
5/29/2018 11:13 am

Another thing for sure... watching it.. was that Trump ain't Rockefeller or Reagan.

He's more Nixon and Wallace.. than Nixon and Wallace.. the difference is Nixon and Wallace were Nixon and Wallace.. they knew who they were.
Trump doesn't care who he is...as long as he's a winner in his own mind...And he'll take from anybody, anything he can use..
The similarity is truly amazing.....Nixon and Watergate was just a trial run for Trump...It didn't turn out good for Nixon....but if Trump can just maneuver a bit different...the idea was right.. Nixon just didn't have Nixon to show him the wrong way..


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
5/29/2018 11:57 am

Reagan declared himself for the Presidency in 1968 also....I had forgotten it then and forgotten to mention it now..

Now about California.. who elected Ronald Reagan as governor and also their choice for the presidential nomination in 1968..

Now California is much maligned by Republicans . and little known FACTS

The California gubernatorial election, 1962 was held on November 6, 1962. The Democratic incumbent, Pat Brown, ran for re-election against former Vice President Richard Nixon. In his concession speech, Nixon accused the media of favoring his opponent Brown, stating that it was his "last press conference" and "You won't have Dick Nixon to kick around any more." Six years later, Nixon was elected President of the United States.

In 1966....Ronald Reagan, was elected, defeating two-term governor Edmund G. "Pat" Brown by nearly a million votes.

what really pisses the Republicans off, and the rest of the country.....
is the statement... AS goes California.. so goes the Country... the truth of it is more undeniable than deniable.


starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
5/29/2018 12:29 pm

I was in junior high in 1968. I remember being told that Robert Kennedy was assassinate and not wanting to believe it. I remember the kids cheering because they got a day out of school when MLK was shot. I don't think they realized the reason and I really didn't know who MLK was. Once I reached High School, the following year - the Civil Rights Movement was prevalent among the students. I remember wearing a black armband after the Kent University shootings. The school actually allowed the students to hold a rally about the Viet Nam War on that day. I came from a military family and felt my father was doing what he was told when he was sent to Vietnam. He was also a Korean war vet. That was an era when fathers, brothers, and classmates were went to war. Now it's our kids. I am not sure it is for freedom but more the enrichment of old men who want to line their pockets at the expense of young men and now women. Oil

Abracadabra


Rentier1

5/30/2018 9:00 am

It was a pivotal year in France and Czechoslovakia as well.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
5/30/2018 9:23 am

    Quoting  :

Somethings are more positive today than in 1968.... In 1968 we really didn't know what was going on...So the idea of hidden agendas and conspiracies, ran rampant.
the Vietnam War, Racial Problems, Foreign policies, Economic policies, all were viewed by those who disagreed with a jaundice eye of hidden agenda's and conspiracies. It was an acceptable way to disagree.. But the reasons for the actions were secondary to the action themselves. You just believed in the reasons and your beliefs outweighed any hidden agenda or conspiracy. We didn't KNOW we just believed.

today.. it's different.. All those hidden agendas and conspiracies... are in your face. they are no longer hidden and no longer a conspiracy... the idea that was once professed as disagreement.. Is now" fake news" to try and profess agreement.. It's trying to turn the tables on hidden agendas and conspiracies. But there aren't any tables to turn

Belief in America has been eroded and belief in your fellow man has been eroded..Not by hidden agendas and conspiracies.. but by what is smacking you in the face. Hidden agenda's are defeated by knowledge and truth.....Where they once lived in the "maybe'.. they no longer live there.

Now belief in America doesn't have to stand on it's own..We've got the knowledge.
All we have to do is Make the decision.
WE were maybe once, about the FLAG....The dues was paid..... but the FLAG could NEVER stand on it's own... the FLAG is only about what WE stand for.. And the time has come to make that decision.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
5/30/2018 10:14 am

Trump has taught me so much.. About the past, the present and the future..without Trump i never would have realized it..

For instance... You don't need to listen to the words of politicians.. but you do NEED to look them in the eye.
It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree...If your looking for "The Truth"

A hammer is only a TOOL....and only about the person who wields it......
that is... UNLESS YOU"RE THE NAIL. No matter how someone tries to make it different.....People are all the SAME...No matter where you live....and that which is DONE to one..is DONE to everyone.

I didn't know it then in 1968,, but i know it NOW...faces of politicians are more important than words or agreement.. I supported Hubert Humphrey, and I was fool. I never looked him in the eye.. My gosh.. If you can just look without agreement or disagreement.. it's obvious in their faces.
I Was never a part of the anti-war movement.. I was a bystander. I saw the campuses and the convention. I saw the beatdowns... but that was them.. it wasn't me..
.I look at it today....and what I see is...... Is that it was NEVER a beatdown about THEM.. It was "beatdown" of ME..... Whether I was on the top or the bottom of the barrell...It didn't matter...It was about control, and it still is... the need for a controlled population.. that's out of control
And the FLAG, where once the dues had been paid.. had been revoked. Freedom is NOT Free...and we got to pay the dues again.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
5/30/2018 11:12 am

    Quoting Rentier1:
    It was a pivotal year in France and Czechoslovakia as well.
Stuff it....

you're just the attitude of the magnitude....

As those here try to TELL YOU... they do a piss job of showing you.....

In that respect there is nothing Great about America. The magnitude of America greatest.....doesn't mean a damn thing..
And it's lack of magnitude doesn't mean a damn thing either..

so what's your point? To bring us down a peg....When we do that damn well, all by ourselves. So it must be about you.. You live in the "real world"...And in the "real world" You can't DREAM... You want to wake US from the dream...Sorry Charlie, we've already been woke up...We just can't remember what was the dream and what was is the reality. It's just confusion that wants US to believe they are one and the same......
when they are not.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
5/30/2018 11:19 am

So Because of Trump.. I got the new slogan...
"Make America Pay It Dues, Again"

That everybody who's got a foot in this country gets to take a mile...It's what we stand for.....We are not a country FOR Americans... but a country for everyone..
even if THEY don't know it... We shouldn't tell them.. We should show them.......

Everybody can't live here, but if we want God to bless America....Living in America is not a RIGHT.. it's a blessing....... It's NOT the right to take, but the blessing to able to give . It's NOT the Right to condemn, but the blessing to forgive... It's NOT the Right to TELL everyone, but the blessing to SHOW everyone.... It's NOT the right to hate.. but the blessing to LOVE.

You simply can't hate people and Love our Flag......
You can't Love our FLAG, and take freedom from Others....
You can't see our Flag, and see US and them... there is only US.

And as reality and our dreams collide......
"Make America Great Again"...by living the dream.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
5/30/2018 11:40 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    Stuff it....

    you're just the attitude of the magnitude....

    As those here try to TELL YOU... they do a piss job of showing you.....

    In that respect there is nothing Great about America. The magnitude of America greatest.....doesn't mean a damn thing..
    And it's lack of magnitude doesn't mean a damn thing either..

    so what's your point? To bring us down a peg....When we do that damn well, all by ourselves. So it must be about you.. You live in the "real world"...And in the "real world" You can't DREAM... You want to wake US from the dream...Sorry Charlie, we've already been woke up...We just can't remember what was the dream and what was is the reality. It's just confusion that wants US to believe they are one and the same......
    when they are not.
It seems to me that Rentir's point is to create some context......that the US is not the only country in the World........Not to bring you down a peg, but to place you in the true context of a plethora of pegs.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
5/30/2018 1:20 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    It seems to me that Rentir's point is to create some context......that the US is not the only country in the World........Not to bring you down a peg, but to place you in the true context of a plethora of pegs.
There are NO pegs...so there is no context, at least not from my blog...

Of course, those on the right try to make it so.. but they haven't done it yet on My blog...
They try to put US on the top of the pegboard....And You and Rentier acknowledging it...by where we fit on that pegboard.... Only makes the pegboard TRUE.
The pegboard is NOT TRUE.

So rentier was comparing US to the rest of the world.... to bring US down a peg.
Hell's Bell's about that.....Trying to make it about the peg......When it only makes it about the comparison.

For rentier he was assuming a context that wasn't there..... In that assumption Rentier revealed the opposite side of Nothing.... which made Nothing Something..

Now given a different blog....and someone trying to put US there.....Then of course it would make sense.......but this blog isn't about that......

I NEVER felt that Rentier response was to put me down......Rentier response was not about my blog.....I'll use your own words to tell you.. what my response to him was about...

You said it.......It's not about bringing Rentier down a peg....but to place him in the true context of a plethora of pegs.

Too confusing for you? sorry about that.......but placating, never solves the issue. Especially with you and when YOU are doing the placating.. and that is not derogatory .. It's a compliment..


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
5/30/2018 3:04 pm

Americans are not who You think we are. and again... Labels.. toss their ugly head..

We got racists .. who they say .....they are not.... because they know some "good" Black people..Doesn't change the label, just gives them an excuse..

Christians got labels... they're either all bad.. even if you know a good one..Or they are all good even if you know a bad one..

Well there are some '"good" Americans too.... doesn't change your label.

American's got plenty of Labels...but like everything else.. we don't have a monopoly..

"An eye for an eye".. and everybody will be sightless
A label for a label......and everybody will be labeled.

A Christian, A racist, an elitist, and a "foreigner"...all die and go to see St Peter..
Which one gets into heaven?

Well they all can go to HELL.. because their ain't one damn bit of difference in their labeling of others..


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
5/30/2018 6:10 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    There are NO pegs...so there is no context, at least not from my blog...

    Of course, those on the right try to make it so.. but they haven't done it yet on My blog...
    They try to put US on the top of the pegboard....And You and Rentier acknowledging it...by where we fit on that pegboard.... Only makes the pegboard TRUE.
    The pegboard is NOT TRUE.

    So rentier was comparing US to the rest of the world.... to bring US down a peg.
    Hell's Bell's about that.....Trying to make it about the peg......When it only makes it about the comparison.

    For rentier he was assuming a context that wasn't there..... In that assumption Rentier revealed the opposite side of Nothing.... which made Nothing Something..

    Now given a different blog....and someone trying to put US there.....Then of course it would make sense.......but this blog isn't about that......

    I NEVER felt that Rentier response was to put me down......Rentier response was not about my blog.....I'll use your own words to tell you.. what my response to him was about...

    You said it.......It's not about bringing Rentier down a peg....but to place him in the true context of a plethora of pegs.

    Too confusing for you? sorry about that.......but placating, never solves the issue. Especially with you and when YOU are doing the placating.. and that is not derogatory .. It's a compliment..
You're the one who introduced the word "peg"........Now you're doing a Bigblock and making the subject of your blog so narrow that there is no place for anyone else's take.....But, as you continually demonstrate, you are only talking to yourself anyhow..


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
5/31/2018 1:23 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    You're the one who introduced the word "peg"........Now you're doing a Bigblock and making the subject of your blog so narrow that there is no place for anyone else's take.....But, as you continually demonstrate, you are only talking to yourself anyhow..
So you get upset and defensive when I make a comment to someone else.. You think I'm being unfair?

Your empathy goes way too strong.. for people you like and agree with...You walk in their shoes.. but take them where YOU want to go. Not where they are going..

My blog is about America... It's past and present...How perceptions of it change...How reality and the ideals get mixed up.. America flaws and it's attributes.. and how the flaws are winning, because the ideals can NEVER win.. they can only be strived for... Never reached.... It's like we have decided, we might as well stop trying. ...Some of US anyway...... It's about what we are, and not what people think we are.... no matter one's political leanings, no matter your choices..... Being great can only get lost.. it can NEVER be found.....being great cannot be about BECOMING great.
If that is American arrogance. or American elitism.. So be it.....But foreigners.. make themselves foreign.. As soon as they label it American....Like somehow WE are different than them....We don't need your approval to be great.. We need our own.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
5/31/2018 1:53 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    You're the one who introduced the word "peg"........Now you're doing a Bigblock and making the subject of your blog so narrow that there is no place for anyone else's take.....But, as you continually demonstrate, you are only talking to yourself anyhow..
Let's break it down....If you're NOT going to try and placate me.. then go for it...harshness is a lot easier for YOU..
But be careful, of the meaning of the word you use.... and how it says ..the only thing that matters... is you're right and I'm wrong... Like you accuse everyone else of doing.

First..".bringing someone down a peg".. it a metaphor and certainly has nothing to do with "a peg". so I didn't talk about "pegs"... YOU DID
Second....I"m doing a Bigblock...Like you have any idea about what he's doing.. and I must be doing the same thing.... And you call me confused?
And of course.. I talk to myself and nobody's listening to me.. WTF?.... Do you think that means?.

Now bigblock has always said.. if you can't attack the idea .. then attack the person.. Now, bigblock knows a hole when he see it.. except when he's looking up his own azz... So let me ask you.. do you know a hole when you see it.?. or do you only know it.. when you're looking up my azz..


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
5/31/2018 12:01 pm

One of the great attribute of America...That was once our cornerstone.. It separated US from the rest of the world.... It was individualism....
WE stood up as individuals, and we stood up together as individuals, and we only stood up for the individuals..We stood up for ourselves...In the name of individualism. It's almost an impossible concept to NOW understand... with the labels, the groupings, the identifiers, The hatred, and the conspiracies..The idea of the value of an individual is lost. Group thinking has taken over...Control over substance
I stand up alone....always have.. I don't need "friends" or co conspirators, I don't need agreement. I don't need support...I stand up as an individual, for individualism.
Is it too much to ask for people to think as an individual, to make a decision as an individual..
You think it matters to me what decision you make?
if you think as a racist. if you decide you are racist...Then God damn it.. BE A RACIST. ......Not some pseudo racist, that's more about group control than it is your own ideas.
The only way.. we can go back...Is for individuals to decide who they are, then know who they are.. And finally... BE WHO THEY ARE.
We have right to challenge the idea.....but we have no right to condemn the individual... as we only condemn ourselves.....And there is too much condemnation already.
I'm not immune.. but misunderstood... as I do condemn the individuals.
I condemn them for standing up for the LIE of it.. And not standing up for the truth of IT., whatever IT is....
so my life has taught me a lesson......Always I have thought.. I could be better off
If I could be who I'm NOT What life taught me about who I am.....Is that all the good and bad of it is a result of I who I am.. and NO good can come from being who I'm not.. take my word for it.. It doesn't work..So I have learned to take the good and the bad....Because I can only be who I am. I wish to pass that on...taking the good and bad from who you are..defines the meaning of your life.. you can't change it.. But you can accept it... and more importantly accept it in others..they are who they are.. and You can't change it.
WE are individuals..that define ourselves differently... but we are all in the same boat. We got to be "who we are"....and "who we are" we got to be.....and the idea that someone "gets away with it".. is crazy..
My gosh...I say it.. but I don't believe it..
Trump is "getting away with it"..... When truth is Trump doesn't "get away' with anything.. but his own shit,.... that No gold toilet is going to make smell sweet..... Trump is an individual...that only believes in his own individualism....And in the end... he will be ALONE.. with only his "individual" self...and that is saddest true ending of all.
You think it goes without saying.. but i think, I need to say it.....I'm an individual who needs to be who I am.. and I stand up for others... because they need to be who they are....I stand up for Trump to be who he is.....even if it results in his bad ending.