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jiminycricket1 74M
5533 posts
10/28/2017 4:39 am
Bad judgments


I regret my feeling about George W Bush, and my categorizing him as the worse President because of the war in Iraq, and the collapse of financial industries. Both I thought were preventable.

I don't look at George W Bush the same way anymore. We certainly have a right to disagree with our President and decide if he's making bad judgments. But bad decisions result from choices. Choices that are judged by the options and the results. Hind sight is twenty/twenty. We need to decide if bad judgment, were a choice or were a calculated automatic decision.

We don't do that in our lives, because for the most part other peoples lives don't depend on it. We can judge our options and if the results are not what we want, wish we had choose a different option.
When we we make those decision as a group it's total different.
Bad judgments don't become specific to choices, but go the to the base of the decision making.
There's not a word to explain it... but there are bad judgments made on choices and choices that are not "realized" because of bad judgment. in first case it's specific to a choice and in the second case it's specific to the kind of judgment we make and to all choices. Intent eliminates choices.

For Bush, my thought of what he did was to make a bad judgment.
In the case of Trump, what he does is to have bad judgment. A judgment that is pre-ordained, without consideration of the options. Intent over substance.
Trump supporter also have bought into it...Intent over substance.

Granted there are times when intent over substances works, and the results are good.
But good or not.. it's still bad judgment.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/28/2017 5:19 am

I would take Bush over Trump in a heartbeat.

"Never Trump" a Republican slogan "NT"
Well i got a new acronym....."ABT"

"Anybody But Trump"
There used to be a thought that Trump when he became President, would see the substance of the intent. Now ideologically speaking, It's hard for me to disagree with Trump, because he has no ideology, for ideology would be substance. Anyway, Trump never changed.
Prior his election, if it was between Trump and Pence... I don't know who I'd take...I certainly disagree more with Pence on ideology and substantive issues. But you see ideological, and substantive issue depend on judgement, and under different circumstance judgment changes. Unlike Trump, Pence would change my perception .....if he were President.
So my "ABT" includes Pence.. So impeach Trump and make Pence the president. ABT.

You see it here..... intent over substance. They think they talk ideology, but they only talk intent.

This blog makes many of those here on the Right happy.. Trump must be doing something right, if he's gotten me so pissed off.
Well here's the news, I'm NOT pissed off at Trump...He just makes me sick to my stomach.
Sometime, it seems we get pissed at the symptoms of the disease... Not me, I get pissed off at the disease....and "you folks" are the disease.


bijou624

10/28/2017 6:50 am

Jiminy I was thinking the exact same thought yesterday about Bush and Trump. I never thought much of Bush or his policies, but after seeing Trump in action, Bush seems like an amazing president.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/28/2017 7:03 am

So as Roy Moore (Alabama senator nominees, that more full of moore Beans, than any Judge Roy.... I know. You got to "fart" before people will believe that it doesn't stink.) throws his hat the ring. someone on the left could say how could you want someone who is a KNOWN bigot, gun nut, and religious pimp in the office of the president, instead of Trump...?

Well again it's ideological differences, so that makes it better. Well, with Moore there would be clear intent. He's not as conniving as Trump, and his ideological intent would be exposed.

Trump has spent his entire life.. hiding his intent. Without ideology.
Without ideology we can't know for sure his intent. His decision are all based on his intent.... but he never tells us what that intent is.

Like the saying goes .. I'll take the devil i know, before the devil I don't know.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
10/28/2017 3:26 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    So as Roy Moore (Alabama senator nominees, that more full of moore Beans, than any Judge Roy.... I know. You got to "fart" before people will believe that it doesn't stink.) throws his hat the ring. someone on the left could say how could you want someone who is a KNOWN bigot, gun nut, and religious pimp in the office of the president, instead of Trump...?

    Well again it's ideological differences, so that makes it better. Well, with Moore there would be clear intent. He's not as conniving as Trump, and his ideological intent would be exposed.

    Trump has spent his entire life.. hiding his intent. Without ideology.
    Without ideology we can't know for sure his intent. His decision are all based on his intent.... but he never tells us what that intent is.

    Like the saying goes .. I'll take the devil i know, before the devil I don't know.
Trump doesn't know what his intent is.....and that's the crux of the problem......The man has no clue what introspection is, let alone how to go about doing it. Introspection to him and his followers leads only to uncomfortable feelings.They have no ability or desire to self-question....to explore their inner workings......Their impetus is solely based in their lizard brains.....

They wallow in the cloying sentimentalism of national anthems, flags and religious accessories. They feather their sentimental nests with whatever paraphernalia looks peripherally similar without perceiving anything below the shiny surface that reflects their own visage..........Trump is the epitome of this condition .........seeing everything as a reflection of himself......Narcissus..


sewg1941 82F

10/28/2017 6:03 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    So as Roy Moore (Alabama senator nominees, that more full of moore Beans, than any Judge Roy.... I know. You got to "fart" before people will believe that it doesn't stink.) throws his hat the ring. someone on the left could say how could you want someone who is a KNOWN bigot, gun nut, and religious pimp in the office of the president, instead of Trump...?

    Well again it's ideological differences, so that makes it better. Well, with Moore there would be clear intent. He's not as conniving as Trump, and his ideological intent would be exposed.

    Trump has spent his entire life.. hiding his intent. Without ideology.
    Without ideology we can't know for sure his intent. His decision are all based on his intent.... but he never tells us what that intent is.

    Like the saying goes .. I'll take the devil i know, before the devil I don't know.
I don't think anyone, including Trump, knows Trump. He's a petulant child who must have his own way regardless of cost. He can say something is gospel and then minutes later recant everything said. He is NOT presidential material, never was, never will be. He needs to be removed from office asap!


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/29/2017 2:37 am

    Quoting  :

We use the precedents and then make our judgment as to how good or bad that President was.
No matter who you think of as the worst President, everyone of them was THE PRESIDENT.

"But, Trump is in a class by himself"

Who's calf you are going to slew?
Well it doesn't matter the ones you've already eaten.. Like Hillary and Obama and Bush, really shouldn't matter now. .It seems we get riled up, with only the one on the chopping block. Unless you're trying to protect that one, and regurgitate the others.

But Trump is different.. he's not the current calf, we decided upon....He's a PIG pretending to be a calf. What Trump promised to change in Washington, to clean the swamp, has only tried to change our idea of WHAT IS A PRESIDENT? When I say Trump is not my President, It's not an opinion, it means Trump is NOT A President.

And so it is..that my thoughts about Obama come to fruition, and the reason I didn't vote. But let me add to it now..
I knew the President that followed Obama, was going to be in a world of hurt. With Hillary, I didn't know what would follow with the next President, but most likely more of the same hurt.
But now with Trump, it doesn't matter, The next President will definitely have an extended honeymoon, as the PIGS will be eliminated from the slaughter house. The next President, when in comparison, will be A President.
To me, whoever that is...Democrat, Republican, or Independent, won't matter. All will be aware of Trump's precedence, and lack of Presidency.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/29/2017 3:34 am

When it comes to Party loyalty... there's something to be learned, by what's happening now...

The destruction of the Republican Party.. is evident... In the fact, that for the last forty years they have denounced every single President and Presidential candidate, they once supported. Are they trying to tell US that in the past, the Party was full of sh*t, but it isn't now? Are they telling US Party loyalty is just Trump loyalty? That they are happy going to Trump's Party, Instead of having a party of there own? Do they think they own Trump? Like that's possible. That Trump is just maneuvering the ship, to get in the right position, so they can get what they want done, and that when THEY choose they can turn the ship and Trump around?
The Republican Party of the past is gone...they are telling current Republicans to get on board or get left behind.

So they have turned on themselves and the battle is between Trump loyalty and Republican party loyalty. They think it's the same loyalty...Well the Republican party has existed for the last forty years, through party loyalty, and diverse unification because of it. They have made no concessions to Liberals, but have made plenty of concessions to themselves. Trump and his supporters don't believe in concession of any sort..... Trump ain't diverse, and there are no party concessions..... so there is no longer unification. Whether or not you want to call it, Trump's party or the Republican Party, it's all been sunk.

Do they see what that means? We don't have to gather them up, find out who they are.....they have corralled themselves, in the one ship. Just one ship, full of pigs, and the stink is going to sink them.

I don't see Democrats doing that....


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/29/2017 4:36 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Trump doesn't know what his intent is.....and that's the crux of the problem......The man has no clue what introspection is, let alone how to go about doing it. Introspection to him and his followers leads only to uncomfortable feelings.They have no ability or desire to self-question....to explore their inner workings......Their impetus is solely based in their lizard brains.....

    They wallow in the cloying sentimentalism of national anthems, flags and religious accessories. They feather their sentimental nests with whatever paraphernalia looks peripherally similar without perceiving anything below the shiny surface that reflects their own visage..........Trump is the epitome of this condition .........seeing everything as a reflection of himself......Narcissus..
Trump does know his intent, but he can't tell us what that is.. the truth doesn't set him free.. It puts him in jail.

Trump, like his supporters, thinks introspection is for the weak minded.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/29/2017 4:47 am

Are Republican so easily swayed, when they spent the last twelve years defending Bush against the onslaught of Democrat criticism. When all it takes is for Trump or Bannon to say the same thing for them to believe it? Is McCain, a once party hero, not longer a hero, because he was defeated and captured by Democrats.
Is Mitt Romney, a winner or a loser.. for that matter.... who the heck is Mitt Romney?....

It's impossible for Trump to GAIN support. he can only lose it.

Those who continue to support him, and look to a possible future with him that doesn't exist

Many will fall to the wayside...Primarily the Christian Right will be gone, As Trump is no more Christian than Putin or Kim Jong. When all his other enemies are vanquished...then he will force the Christian Right to choose between Christ and Trump.
The Fiscal Right will leave him, when they realize he thinks it his money, not theirs. When he fools them to make all entitlement gone... except when they realize the only entitlement left are Trump's entitlements.

So he will lose the moral Right and the fiscal Right.

Those who ignore it and just look to the "Great American" future, may be just looking to the front but they won't see the knife, Trump stuck in their back.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/29/2017 4:55 am

Here's a good irony for you..

Those on the right that think the economy is most important thing.. that if Trump creates an "unbelievable" economy then people wont care...

That so wrong..... the fact is that hurting people, will do anything to stop hurting. But people who have it good, become critics, and have the wherewith all, to take the high ground.

People who take the high ground..DO NOT SUPPORT TRUMP.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/29/2017 5:18 am

    Quoting  :

No......
People who like Trump's economic policy see themselves as hurting.
People who don't like Trump economic policy, DON'T see themselves as hurting.

If Trump was to stop the hurt, the irony is people will stop liking his policies.

It has to do, with being more human, not less human.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/29/2017 5:34 am

    Quoting  :

First, leaf said the same thing, and I agree

Two disagreements.
First, you overestimate Trump
Second, Which is very telling about you.. is that "opposition research", in your position, has anything to do with the Presidency, unless you are talking about opposition research of Russia....
Opposition research means there is an opposition and that opposition is the enemy. Granted, candidates use opposition research to thwart other candidates, as they see other candidates as the opposition. Enemy or not.
I find it telling that you believe the President has opposition from Americans. That it okay to use the position of President to "research" your American opposition, as THE ENEMY. As the enemy, because they are not your candidate opposition. With Trump, like you...it doesn't matter candidate opposition or enemy... it's all the same. He's not going to change, the question is are YOU? How far will YOU go, to make Americans your enemy?

Like i said...... Bush was my President, Nixon was my President, but Trump is NOT my President.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/29/2017 6:16 am

    Quoting  :

Begin at the beginning.. First you are talking to The opposition. I don't see many of your compadres here.

when you talk to the opposition your lies don't work.

So first... I don't know a single Democrat or Liberal that "loves" Jimmy Carter. In my opinion the worst democratic President in my Lifetime. How he got elected is beyond me.. I didn't vote for him. He was a President that didn't know peanuts. Jimmy Carter is the most forgettable President ever.

As far as brains go.... a tie between him and Bush... In fact, i think Bush was smarter. Trump and Jimmy Carter have one thing in common...their wives know the true story, and both of them keep their mouths shut, so we never know if they are really smart or really stupid.

Now Jimmy Carter was a peacemaker, that doesn't know sh*t about peace. A walk all over me President. not that he was bad, he just wasn't good. He's your fricken poster child for Liberals.

That being said.... You're taking his comments out of context. Picking and choosing what you want to hear. Jimmy Carter mouthful of peanuts, is only matched by the peanut size of your brain.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/29/2017 9:47 am

    Quoting  :

Sometime over the last 8 years. I warned you, that for Republicans getting power and having power was going to be two different thing.. that is really the same thing..
That after they get rid of the liberal enemy.. they'll have nothing left to eat, but their own.

Diversity of opinion, For Conservatives is the enemy. In the case of Liberals, that diversity is well known and It becomes a common enemy.
But diversity of opinion within Republicans only become evident when they actually achieve the power to do something. Then it's only the choice of what they are to do, becomes diverse. No matter how they think things changed.. it hasn't.. diversity is still the enemy.