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jiminycricket1 74M
5533 posts
10/23/2017 8:24 am
Trump and Weinstein


My response to Lizst's blog........

There is a couple of differences between Weinstein and Trump. Those differences don't make any difference in the morality of it, or the objectifying of women.
But there are differences.

In the case of Trump, it's an attitude towards women, all women, and his own self-image
In the case of Weinstein... it's an attitude towards his position of power and his direct effect of that power on women. He was only doing it to women who wanted something from him. he was just using his power.. In Weistein's case.. it had a lot more to do, with a lack of self image than an inflated self image.
As his industry utilizes sex, both directly and indirectly..He sees handsome "leading" men, getting any women they want.... Well, he certainly isn't a "leading" man", but he had something women wanted... and he wanted to use that to get what he wanted. Simply, it was a matter of confusion about sex. In his industry, what he sees is women objectifying men, yet he was not that object, but wanted to be. It was his way of being a "leading man", for him to be objectified, without having to look in the mirror.
Trump on the other hand is not confused.....It 's just about him and his entitlement..... In his mind he is both the "leading' man, and the power broker. He does whatever he wants.

The second difference....NO ONE IS DEFENDING WEINSTEIN. He pays the price.
It seems everybody loses their job over it... EVERYBODY BUT TRUMP.

One is sad LITTLE man...The other, well, I'll let Lizst define that one.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/23/2017 8:27 am

I'm certainly not defending Weinstein.....But there is a difference between having a little prick and being a big prick, metaphorically speaking.....


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/23/2017 9:27 am

The objective of men and women.....

WE make a big deal out it, but in reality there is probably very little difference, between men and women.

But perception is 9/10th of the societal law......and it creates the ways and means of a society.

The perception is....

Women hate to be objectified.
Men love to be objectified

And so it is... society creates the thinking....and we just don't think for ourselves.


Rocketship 80F
18593 posts
10/23/2017 9:49 am

    Quoting  :


bijou624

10/23/2017 9:49 am

It's sad that some men would use their businesses or workplaces to find women to have s*x with them. I'm wondering if they have some kind of mental or physical problem, for example: excessive testosterone levels, inflated egos, believing women are only good for s*x, etc. I believe Trump has a real problem with women. Recently I watched a documentary about Paris Hilton, and it said that she was a model at Trump's "modelling agency". Trump ran beauty pageants, and now I learn he has or had a "modelling agency". What does that say about the president that he has to surround himself at home and at work with women who look like beauty contestants and models???


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/23/2017 10:36 am

    Quoting bijou624:
    It's sad that some men would use their businesses or workplaces to find women to have s*x with them. I'm wondering if they have some kind of mental or physical problem, for example: excessive testosterone levels, inflated egos, believing women are only good for s*x, etc. I believe Trump has a real problem with women. Recently I watched a documentary about Paris Hilton, and it said that she was a model at Trump's "modelling agency". Trump ran beauty pageants, and now I learn he has or had a "modelling agency". What does that say about the president that he has to surround himself at home and at work with women who look like beauty contestants and models???
Presidents have the power to say things.. that live forever

For me , it's like Kennedy saying "ask not what your country can do for you......."

Well it may not go down in infamy..... what Trump said.. but it will live with me forever.

"Just look at her"

Never has person shamed themselves in my eyes, as Trump, did speaking those words.. never have so few words said so much.

"Just look at her".......I don't how people can't understand it..How they are suppose to accept it. How, they can see through Trump's eyes, and forgive, or even deny...the meaning of

"Just look at her"


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
10/23/2017 12:57 pm

    Quoting  :

You did post a blog comparing Trump and Weinstein.........Why deny it?....As usual. you will undoubtedly conjure up some minuscule technicality to attempt to prove yourself right. Here, is a quote from your blog....

"You have told us ad infinitum that you were cowering under your bed in fear lest Donald Trump would against all odds drop by your Texas spread and grab your p*ssy. How about a little equal outrage for big Democratic donor Harvey Weinstein? "

Also noted, is your personal insults that you manufactured using exaggeration to the point of lying...


bijou624

10/23/2017 12:59 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    Presidents have the power to say things.. that live forever

    For me , it's like Kennedy saying "ask not what your country can do for you......."

    Well it may not go down in infamy..... what Trump said.. but it will live with me forever.

    "Just look at her"

    Never has person shamed themselves in my eyes, as Trump, did speaking those words.. never have so few words said so much.

    "Just look at her".......I don't how people can't understand it..How they are suppose to accept it. How, they can see through Trump's eyes, and forgive, or even deny...the meaning of

    "Just look at her"
I've heard Trump on talk radio insulting various women for their appearance. It sounds so chauvinistic to hear a man talk in such derogatory terms about so many women's appearances. I heard him once on Howard Stern talking about his daughter Ivanka and calling her a good looking 'piece of azz'. He said he would date her if she wasn't his daughter. OMG how low class can you get?


lilium6 74F
4498 posts
10/23/2017 6:18 pm

Has my post been deleted?


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
10/23/2017 8:35 pm

    Quoting  :

Not mad.....just bored with the lying and constant vacuous attempts at insult........There are those who don't know any better and Fossil, who obviously has a serious mental challenge going down, .....and you, who seems to just lie for your own entertainment.........A lot of lying.......Is it just coincidence that you all voted for IQ45, who has set the bar so low and normalised lying......made it cool,
like Hitler did .......My father and his friends watched that whole Hitler thing go down in Germany.......Printed Antifa pamphlets and distributed them on the streets of Germany.......saw the mesmerised populace follow the Lying Hitler......That's what my father said was the most outrageous.....that Hitler's followers were proud to be in on the lies.....were proud of the audacity......their participation in advancing the lies. When Hitler was confronted with his lies,
he said that it was only a lie the first time he said it......the second time he repeated it, it was no longer a lie and the third time, it was the truth.........

Not mad, bro, just watching the pride in ignorance being lapped up like it's the nectar of the Gods.........and shrugging in repulsion.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/24/2017 5:13 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Not mad.....just bored with the lying and constant vacuous attempts at insult........There are those who don't know any better and Fossil, who obviously has a serious mental challenge going down, .....and you, who seems to just lie for your own entertainment.........A lot of lying.......Is it just coincidence that you all voted for IQ45, who has set the bar so low and normalised lying......made it cool,
    like Hitler did .......My father and his friends watched that whole Hitler thing go down in Germany.......Printed Antifa pamphlets and distributed them on the streets of Germany.......saw the mesmerised populace follow the Lying Hitler......That's what my father said was the most outrageous.....that Hitler's followers were proud to be in on the lies.....were proud of the audacity......their participation in advancing the lies. When Hitler was confronted with his lies,
    he said that it was only a lie the first time he said it......the second time he repeated it, it was no longer a lie and the third time, it was the truth.........

    Not mad, bro, just watching the pride in ignorance being lapped up like it's the nectar of the Gods.........and shrugging in repulsion.
WE put the blame on Hitler... the face of fascism.. when fascism has multi faces.
but the true face of fascism.. is the moral lies.
Connecting the dots between Trump and Hitler.... Is difficult to be sure.
But connecting the dots between the American people and the German people is much easier. I have been trying to tell people that for a long time..but it always seems to revert back to Trump and Hitler.

The truth about Trump and Hitler is not in the telling of moral lies...It's the believing of the moral lies. People get the choice to believe or not. the German people believed, we haven't reached that point yet.

Morality and immorality is about the baser instincts of people.
The conflict that results can be used, that what Trump does, he used the conflict of our baser instincts to a higher moral purpose.

The irony of Christianity......We are all sinners.... Yet can be saved. The sinner becomes the baser instinct, and the conflict is what we are willing to do to be "saved". Christians should be ashamed to be a Trump supporter, but too many are not....The reason... Well, we are all sinners..Aren't We?

"One day Satan, the devil, came to the Garden of Eden. He told Eve she should eat the fruit of the tree of good and evil. Eve said God had told her and Adam not to eat it.
Satan said the fruit was very good. He told Eve it would make her wise. She would know good and evil. Eve chose to eat the fruit."

Sparklefit.... you should be on Trump's side.. He is anti-religion. He is against everything religion stands for......He sees our baser instincts and appeals to them.
He uses a higher moral purpose, only in the sense that people can have it all.
His greatest lie, is that our baser instincts can serve a higher moral purpose.
In that way Trump, is exactly like Hitler. The only question we need to ask.... Are we going to be like the German people?
It's not about Trump.. It's Never been about Trump...It's about US.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/24/2017 8:19 am

    Quoting lilium6:
    Has my post been deleted?
never saw it.....do it again....
If you didn't do it and I didn't do it...then this site not only has ogres but gremlins too
!


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
10/24/2017 3:48 pm

You just keep proving your total lack of emotional nuance.......A sledge hammer is not always the best tool for the job.


lilium6 74F
4498 posts
10/24/2017 4:09 pm

Oh - my original post has reappeared with explanatory message from SFF admin; 'Your comment has been denied due to the following reason: profanity. Feel free to submit a new comment'. It's ok Jiminy, I'll pass on re-posting - thanks all the same :- )