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jiminycricket1 74M
5533 posts
11/23/2016 6:29 am
Obamacare unsimplified


Obamacare is not very good. there's a lot of reason for this. Most people, like Dandee, are mistaken about what makes it bad.

First and foremost the program is not Socialist. It's bastardized government interference in Capitalism, and Capitalism's interference in government.

Obama said you can keep your doctor and your insurance. What Obama didn't say is your doctor and your insurance would keep you.

Probably the greatest impact of Obamacare is the standardization of policy's. I find this ironic because of what Trumps said and what your going to get from Trump. Trump wants to keep pre-existing conditions and up to 26 years old family members.
He wants to keep what in essence has created the biggest problem with Obamacare.
The impact of standardization has cause insurance companies to increase premiums and deductibles. And as you may wish to lower cost. you forget what insurance is all about. To eliminate standardization would mean you could go out and buy a cheaper policy that doesn't cover pre-existing conditions, or 26 years old. or gender related stuff if that not your gender. You could control what you pay for.
PEOPLE LIKE THAT IDEA.
BUT PEOPLE ARE REALLY STUPID.
So Trump wants to keep pre-existing conditions and 26 year old..and give people choices... CAN"T HAPPEN
The reason we did not have policies that allowed pre-existing conditions is that only people with pre-existing condition would have purchased it , and the premium would have been unaffordable to anybody. It would be like buying homeowners coverage after your house burns down.

So Trump not going to scrap it, nor will he give YOU what you want.. he can't do it.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/23/2016 6:32 am

my response to Dan Dee blog.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/23/2016 6:59 am

You see..

I'm about as big a hard ass as there is...... I believe in America.

So I say to Trump Scrap it..............
I say let people go uninsured and die.
The dead can't speak against you, or vote against you (unless they are Liberal)
Those people don't contribute , don't deserve to live.

When people open their eyes, because they are forced to see, instead of closing them. because they are told to do so.
When all the people agree, something needs to be done.
When pro-life means actually being pro-life.
When those who's voice ring out because of racism, elitism, control, self service. When they' re drowned out by the voice of real Americans and real people, who see the pain, who feel the pain, who want to help heal the pain.
Then it will be time.

So Mr. Trump....scrap Obamacare... best thing that could happen.

I believe in America, I believe America will come around.


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jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/23/2016 7:54 am

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The point of what I had to say, Is you can't keep the good and get rid of the bad.
The good and bad are tied together.

You want to keep the roof of a building who's foundation is falling apart. And think you can do so by fixing the rafters.

You need need to take a look at your ideas about capitalism, and government

Government can not lower the cost of anything by throwing money at it., especially health care.

Of course the irony of our States, and especial Republican states is that The idea of helping Medicaid is just foreign to them Do Republican states hate Medicaid that much? State control of health providers, controls State run medicaid.

Don't forgot all the those fricken Liberal socialist lawyers getting beau coup buck from Doctor and Hospitals and insurance companies! Gotta stop that liberalism. And when insurance companies get to pay less for law suits, they will charge doctors and Hospital less. and then doctors and hospital will charge patients less? Yeah right...Geez! I think that's called trickle down lawsuits.

Special pool for pre-existing...is that like swimming for people in the special Olympics, or more like a non standard auto policy for drunk drivers.

Maisie... There are no solutions. you tweek and keep it all, (premiums will not change) or not keep any of it.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/23/2016 8:00 am

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Thin k of it this way.......

We are sold on the idea that as far as taxes go , we should pay a little as legally possible.
That okay... I'll buy that

But I got a problem with that too.

The people who have sold me on that idea, are the same people who make the laws so that THEY get to pay as little as LEGALLY possible.
I don't get a say, nor do I catch a break.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/23/2016 8:24 am

The idea of this election, what it's meant.

Most of you will end up blaming Trump... blaming Trump for what?

Your stupidity... your stupidity for allowing it to happen.

WE look at the main issues........ immigration, health care and terrorism. And separately the Economy.

What Hillary said, and what Trump said........
You know it not going make any difference especially with Trump. You idiots vote for Trump but elected Hillary and didn't even know it. That's how stupid you are.

Obamacare, immigration, terrorism.. nothing has change,....NOTHING
Trump isn't going to do what he said he's going to do. He's going to do what Hillary said.

Now the economy is a little different.
The way the economy balances is really complicated and really dangerous.
The economy is where things will be different.

Trump doesn't know how to work it, the people he hires will think they do. Safety mechanism will be turned off. We should be scared.
Hillary would have tried to keep her finger in the dike. most likely nothing would have changed.
Trump will try and fix it.....Chance are that's going to be bad, he doesn't know what he's doing.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/23/2016 8:38 am

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It's not going to happen.

make a list of the "good idea".. then see if you can keep them.

Trump has said he's not repealing it, he's replacing it. I'm not sure what YOU think that means.

Maisie... can't you see we agree... They can't rewrite Obamacare. They need to repeal it.
But I say they are not going to....... Rewriting Obama is not the same as repealing it.
It will be a bastard's bastard.

I say start all over.......but they can't.. maisie, don't be ignorant. they can't start over. They are stuck with it.

TO START OVER THE REPUBLICAN WOULD HAVE TO AGREE ON WHAT IT WOULD CONTAIN,. AT LEAST HALF THE REPUBLICANS BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT BE INVOLVED IN HEALTHCARE , SO WHERE DO THEY GO , HOW DO THEY VOTE?
THAT ISN'T JUST WINDOW DRESSING,AND CONTAINS ANY SUBSTANCE WHATSOEVER OF OBAMACARE.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/23/2016 9:03 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    The idea of this election, what it's meant.

    Most of you will end up blaming Trump... blaming Trump for what?

    Your stupidity... your stupidity for allowing it to happen.

    WE look at the main issues........ immigration, health care and terrorism. And separately the Economy.

    What Hillary said, and what Trump said........
    You know it not going make any difference especially with Trump. You idiots vote for Trump but elected Hillary and didn't even know it. That's how stupid you are.

    Obamacare, immigration, terrorism.. nothing has change,....NOTHING
    Trump isn't going to do what he said he's going to do. He's going to do what Hillary said.

    Now the economy is a little different.
    The way the economy balances is really complicated and really dangerous.
    The economy is where things will be different.

    Trump doesn't know how to work it, the people he hires will think they do. Safety mechanism will be turned off. We should be scared.
    Hillary would have tried to keep her finger in the dike. most likely nothing would have changed.
    Trump will try and fix it.....Chance are that's going to be bad, he doesn't know what he's doing.
There are two kinds of economics.
Microeconomics and macroeconomics.

Now people like maise and Donald Trump talk about microeconomics. They think that's all there is, because that's all they deal with...... all the see.

Running a business is microeconomics
Running a government is macroeconomics

Donald Trump and maisie see direct effects of supply and demand, and actions for specific business, that's micro thinking

macro thinking is about causes and ripple effects, indirect effects, overall thinking of general business, instead of specifics businesses.

Our government needs to think in terms of macroeconomics,
With Trump at the helm...we could be in trouble.


bijou624

11/23/2016 10:34 am

Why not have the government run it? They set the rules, they pay the doctors and hospitals, and they collect affordable token premiums from the people? Why burden the people with all these rules, forms, premiums, co-payments? Sure there is a loss, but budget cuts can be made to cover the costs. Why should the HMOs charge whatever they want and be in control of who gets health care???


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/23/2016 4:39 pm

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Did you write all that, Bob?

finally had something to say?

Well mostly I agree with it.

Where you infer fraud is a part of single pay.. I disagree i think fraud is pretty much a part of everything. There is nothing inherent in single pay, as there is nothing inherent in Social security or Medicare, That would promote fraud.
But fraud does seems to find a way.

I don't disagree with bijou eitrher.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/23/2016 9:12 pm

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yeah well, like it matters. What Bob wrote. like he ever writes anything. That's why the comment was made.
and I was agreeing, so what does that mean? I accuse Bob of writing something i agreed with... Omg... hanging me by my fingernails. you're so fastidious, and me well all I know is facetious. So Bite me.

Micro economic well that what Trump been doing since he left college.
if he does understand macro.. he will not what he says he's going to do.

The idea for example, trade agreement or coal. are more than what they seem.
he can say he's bringing back jobs, but may be destroying more instead.
It's just not simple, to do, or to understand
Trump and you may think the liberals have screwed it all up.
if so, you will do on the face of it , more harm than good.

What i believe is that Liberals may not have done the best things, but they didn't do the worst thing either.

Just like Obamacare, the economy will be Trumps inability to keep the good the Liberals had done, because to get the good, for the most part Liberals had to do the bad.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/24/2016 6:23 am

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Five words and a comma,

good for you...

Where's "big" and the word police when you need them.
And the homophobe police too. You never can tell what they could hang on you, if you "blow" a gasket.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/25/2016 5:55 am

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exactly.