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jiminycricket1 74M
5533 posts
5/31/2016 10:59 am
The Real Attack on America


It's not from outside, it's from inside.

I don't know what America is building, but I have a confidence in our foundation. that whatever we build, it will turn out right.

So you folks can argue the building blocks, all you want. In fact, that's a good thing, from the argument we can know what we are building. I can handle that, knowing its going to turn out right

But this Supreme Court thing attacks our foundation. It changes everything. It's unacceptable.

This election, doesn't really matter to me, it's just a building block. One we will never use, but we can learn from it. We have the foundation to make it right. It's just a bad side track for the moment.

Changing the Supreme court is not a side track, it's the road to oblivion.

The Supreme Court is not suppose to agree with us, that's not their job. The fact is...their job is to disagree with us, when called for.
The greatest legal, constitutional, and integrous people in this country should make up the Supreme Court. It's the job of the President and Congress to make it so. If they won't, they're not doing their job, and need to lose their job
The Supreme Court doesn't make laws, it's sole job is to tell us which laws are right. It shouldn't matter if we agree or not, that's not OUR JOB.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
5/31/2016 11:47 am

    Quoting  :

Let me ask you this...DO YOU THINK THE SUPREME COURT SHOULD BE POLITICAL?

Of course, check and balance is what it's all about. Congress make laws without bounds, The Supreme court provides those bounds. That's the check and that's the balance

You need a refresher course in government. The president can overstep his bounds, congress can overstep their bounds, but the Supreme Court has no bound., The don't make laws, they take no actions. Their only job is to judge whether or not the President and Congress has overstepped their bounds.

Once the Supreme Court becomes political, and the President or Congress can control the Supreme Court.....
This country become out of balance and the checks bounce.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
5/31/2016 12:04 pm

The Supreme Court cannot be political.
It's against everything the Constitution stand for.

You have the power to vote in a President and Congressmen who agree with you. It's what you're suppose to do.

But if you have any integrity, if you call yourself an American. Then you can't vote for any President or Congressmen who wants to make the Supreme Court political


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
5/31/2016 12:27 pm

You refuse to understand what the Supreme Court does. '
In regard to things such as abortion or gay marriage, you see the Supreme court as Liberal.
You see the Supreme Court as approving of gay marriage and abortion.
That's just not true, it's far from truth
The personal belief of Supreme Court Justices has almost nothing to do with their decisions. You think Scalia was against gay marriage because he dissented. you don't know that. His dissent was not about gay marriage. It's sad you cant see it.
His dissent was about the power of the federal government to make gay marriage, legal throughout the land.
It said nothing about his thoughts on gay marriage.
There's a irony here you don't see. Scalia, believed it was not a design of the constitution for the government to dictate morals. It was not within their power. The irony is all the moral laws the Right would like to see implemented, he would have also been against, maybe not personally but legally and constitutionally..


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
5/31/2016 12:40 pm

    Quoting  :

no, I simply use the term politically for this country to mean Liberal or Conservative ideologies.

Well, you like to think that because to a small extent it's true.

But think of it this way.. Any president or congressmen will never see the results of a political nomination to the Supreme Court. They receive no direct benefit, maybe some future benefit, but it wont be directed to them.
Most of those people don't think like you. they understand that nominating a non-political Justice serves to protect them, which is far more important than any benefit they can receive. Those that FEAR a non-political judge won't protect them are manipulators, untrustworthy, and have no integrity.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
5/31/2016 12:47 pm

lizst,

You didn't answer the question. Do you think a Supreme court nomination, SHOULD be political?


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
5/31/2016 1:32 pm

So when the election comes, and your candidates says..

Vote for me, and I will make sure we get a Liberal Judge on the Supreme Court
Or Vote for me, and will make sure we get a Conservative judge on the Supreme Court.

They are one of two things
They believe what they say and are communist or fascists.
Or they think you're stupid, can be manipulated and they have no integrity
Either way don't walk away from them.....RUN, RUN as fast as you can.
It's really the only issue, that means anything in this particular election.
Protect the Supreme Court, Protect the Country and everything else will work out.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
5/31/2016 11:43 pm

    Quoting  :

You continue to do the same thing. The supreme court was NOT dealing with the issue of gay marriage as it pertains to morals. It was dealing with the legality of the federal government to make laws about gay marriages.
The argument is about the need of the federal government to define marriage.
The truth is it doesn't need to be defined, at least not by the Constitution
The argument FOR a gay marriage definition becomes a civil rights issue, and then the federal definition of marriage becomes essential.
The moral issue doesn't matter, It never mattered to the Supreme
Court.........It's a civil rights issue.
The Civil right issue won out over the Constitutional issue.
It's a precedent that been set for over the last 100 years.
It's not political.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
6/1/2016 12:35 am

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The middle class is an interesting story in this country.

The middle class was always abused, paid more than fair share both monetarily and with their lives, The middle class was always hoodwinked by politicians, taken advantage of by the rich, and gave more than their fair share to the poor.

The irony is nothin has really changed except this.

The middle class was once too busy, to understand, too busy to realize what was happening to them. Most importantly, they were too happy to care. Being rich didn't guarantee happiness, being poor couldn't make you happy. The only TRUE happiness came from the middle class. That's the way it use to be.

Now we have a shrinking middle class, an idle middle class, and an unhappy middle class

How did that happen? When nothing has really changed for the middle class.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
6/1/2016 12:12 pm

    Quoting  :

Mine too.

He is exactly what the Conservative want to load the Supreme court with.

That's all I need to know about those types of Conservative.

I will throw in the trash, all I agree with the conservative movement. To make sure that doesn't happen.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
6/1/2016 12:22 pm

    Quoting Fossil_Fetcher:
    Jiminy, if you think the Supreme Court is NOT political, you are more naive than I thought.

    Fossil


Depends on your definition of political.

let me ask you the same question I asked lizst

SHOULD the Supreme Court be political?

Of course, lizst has figured out, it's a set up question. You can't answer it without hanging yourself.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
6/1/2016 12:46 pm

Let me answer the question for me.

The Supreme Court SHOULD NOT be political.

Is the Supreme Court political?

Well, it could be interpreted, that way, especially when you don't get the rulings you want.

Should the people, the President, or Congress be able to control the rulings made by the Court?

NO, NO, NO.

In regards to ruling made by the Supreme Court, does one man's victory mean another's defeat?

NO, we all win.

What should we do to a Supreme Court justice who puts his own political ideology ahead of law and the Constitution"

First, we make sure that kind of person Never gets appointed. secondly, we fire his ass for not doing his job.

What if the President, and congress become one ideology and only appoint Supreme court justices with the same ideology?

First get rid of the President and Congress. if we cant do that
accept the fact we're f*cked .Lost our power, lost our Constitution and lost our country
.