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jiminycricket1 74M
5533 posts
11/10/2015 11:40 am
Solution to Racism


The idea of racism on this site and in this country is out of hand. Blacks who consider whites racist and now whites turning that around to think black are the real racists. They're both wrong, and both propagate racism. Both don't understand what they do, and what racism is all about.

I can give my opinion, they way I see things, and what I assume to be a possible solution.........

I think the solution is not a matter of laws, or trying to change the black hearted racists. It can't be done that way.

Almost all of us that are white are given the solution, we don't see it, but it's there.
Most black are given the problem, they don't see it, but it's there.

Personally, I go thought my life without my own skin recognition. I don't think of myself as white, it rarely crosses mind. I don't feel guilty about being white. I don't feel anything about being white. We think of others in the way we think of ourselves. So I assume most whites think the same.

I don't know, but can assume what it's like being black. What I assume is that society, racists, an other blacks, force blacks to realize their skin color everyday. It is not a black person's fault. I believe that blacks aren't given to opportunity to not think of themselves as black, as I do in thinking of myself as white. Their lives become black lives.

I can assume that, and in this assumption, I can not fathom dealing with the difficulties of culture, society, and race. To go through life being a color and not a person. I can not fault, that which I can't understand. I must assume that I would be no different under those circumstances.

We will never get rid of those who's hearts a blacken, with hate and prejudice. They will always be with us

At this time, I cannot judge others of color if they choose to see it as black advantage or black disadvantage. But what I can see, as the solution, is blacks not always seeing themselves as black. How that is to be solved is really not up to me, I can't know it because I don't see my color. I have not been put under those conditions.

But the solution is there....it's not about making blacks black or whites white. it about taking the color out of it.


Racism is not about the color of skin, it's about the color of one's heart.

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Robyn363 83F
3474 posts
11/10/2015 12:15 pm

I think l blacks hate whites rather than the other way around, and they have some choice names for us. Such is the world today. Remember "to kill a mockingbird" Thats h0w it was then.Now the blacks are fiinding their feet and taking over most of the world. Of course if there was no racism the world would be a better place, but that wiil never happen. There are good blacks and good whites. There are good looking whites and good looking blacks.but because of the never ending anger,hatred and other things they cant see this. Yet both of
of theese races marry each other for love, while the others carry on hating.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/10/2015 12:47 pm

    Quoting Robyn363:
    I think l blacks hate whites rather than the other way around, and they have some choice names for us. Such is the world today. Remember "to kill a mockingbird" Thats h0w it was then.Now the blacks are fiinding their feet and taking over most of the world. Of course if there was no racism the world would be a better place, but that wiil never happen. There are good blacks and good whites. There are good looking whites and good looking blacks.but because of the never ending anger,hatred and other things they cant see this. Yet both of
    of theese races marry each other for love, while the others carry on hating.
Robyn,
it's not that simple.
Given the circumstance of black lives we cannot judge that the attitudes of a black person is racist towards white. It may appears that way, but the cause and the reason is different than the racism of a white person.

The individual white person racism is not about race, we think that's true, buts it's not. It's about who the racist are, it's about finding a place for their hatred and prejudices. It's in them and it's about them. The color of another person doesn't matter to them, it's just an excuse.

I hope someday people realizes racism isn't about race. It's about hate and prejudice that shows up about race. Black has nothing to do with racism..... purple, pink, blue, yellow or brown doesn't matter either. it's not what racism is about, it's not about anything, it's simply it is what it is.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/10/2015 12:53 pm

    Quoting  :

You have no idea what I mean.
Instead of looking at it from the white perspective, try looking at from the black perspective.
You don't have to know exactly what that is..you just have to try.
If you have accepted, or justified, or reasoned an approach to prejudice and hate... you are a racist, you just can't accept it, except when someone else does it to you.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/10/2015 1:13 pm

    Quoting LeafRelief:
    I think Oprah is the only one who got it right. She said racists would just have to die of old age. I questioned that at first. But then I came to this site and I've seen racism deeper than before. Oprah is right indeed, and its heartbreaking that this is the bottom line.
leaf
I will always defend you against those here who's hate and prejudice throw out their heads in your name.
I know it doesn't matter, I know we don't agree on all the issues. I know sometimes you APPEAR nutty as a fruitcake. but to me, none of that matters
I think you're a good person and that's all I need to know.
We think we know what we're doing, we think we know what other can see from it. It can, however, become disheartening. when it appears other can't see it also.
I appreciate you being here, I appreciate your comments.
Whether or not other agree would agree with you..Shame on them for not seeing it.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/10/2015 1:17 pm

    Quoting  :

Well, that about says it......

Again, my total amazement of those who not only don't understand what I say, but in their actions prove what I say to be true.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/10/2015 1:42 pm

    Quoting  :

leaf,

I can only talk to you about this, because you're the only here that has some idea of what I talking about.

Man I just got taken to the twilight zone. I feel like Rod Sterling is doing an episode here

How can it be....How is it possible?

I feel like I'm trying to make sense of Richard Murdack, who said pregnancy from r*ape is impossible. or Rick Santorum who said pregnancy from r*ape is God's will. or from you, who said Gun nuts shoot off their penis. (what's the plural of penis... is it peni or penises?)

Man, someone get me out of here.. reality check!

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jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/10/2015 1:46 pm

    Quoting  :

The more you keeping talking....the deeper the hole is going to get!


GavinLS2 69M
1525 posts
11/10/2015 1:48 pm

Jiminy, I really didn't expect to, but I agree with you completely. Society, culture, whites, other blacks, and other ethnic groups all tend to reinforce the problem, but the worst and most damaging effects come from blacks themselves, who either thru a lack of insight, or by the manipulations of others both black and white, who encourage them to view themselves as oppressed different people rather than simply as a member of the entire human race.

Unfortunately I think too many people both black and white have a vested interest in promoting and maintaining that viewpoint.

GBU,

Gavin


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/10/2015 1:54 pm

    Quoting  :

my problem is not whether or not blacks can forget they are black. It's whether or not you can forget your white.

"Personally, I go thought my life without my own skin recognition. I don't think of myself as white, it rarely crosses mind. I don't feel guilty about being white. I don't feel anything about being white. We think of others in the way we think of ourselves. So I assume most whites think the same"

you are obviously the exception.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/10/2015 2:22 pm

    Quoting GavinLS2:
    Jiminy, I really didn't expect to, but I agree with you completely. Society, culture, whites, other blacks, and other ethnic groups all tend to reinforce the problem, but the worst and most damaging effects come from blacks themselves, who either thru a lack of insight, or by the manipulations of others both black and white, who encourage them to view themselves as oppressed different people rather than simply as a member of the entire human race.

    Unfortunately I think too many people both black and white have a vested interest in promoting and maintaining that viewpoint.

    GBU,

    Gavin

Thank you Gavin
Your point is well taken.
What I'm not sure if it's a black human thing or just a human thing

I prefer to think it's a human thing. that racial things can only be positive.
human nature takes the lowest form.

In regard to Asian races, they too are prejudiced against, they too could say the same thing,
The ability of the Asian race to overcome the prejudice is a positive to that race and to that culture.
But Asian have had their race and culture since the beginning of time. The Black American race and culture has only existed for a few hundred years and even that has never been stable.
So make your choice, I can not fault either way.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/10/2015 2:32 pm

    Quoting  :

Again, another exceptional thinker....

I am please to know that you know you're white, and you know you are part of the only race that can be LEGALLY discriminated against.

Very enlightening and good to know

Thank you for proving my point.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/10/2015 3:00 pm

This is complicated and is the way I think. It reverses most other thinking.

It is my belief and opinion that white racism cannot exist without the white person choosing to see themselves as white all the time. Their choice to see themselves as white creates the racial attitude from within, not a black person actions or attitudes.

A black person is forced to see themselves as black all the time. They do not have a choice.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/10/2015 3:37 pm

    Quoting  :

It's typical conservative thinking...

Don't say anything bad about conservatism, but it okay for conservatives to say bad stuff about liberals.

Don't say anything bad about Christianity, but okay for conservatives to say something bad about other religions including Atheist and Agnostics.

Don't say anything bad about America, but conservatives will talk bad about your country all they want.

Don't say anything bad about whites, but it okay for conservatives to say bad stuff about other races.


hermitinthecity 70M
1696 posts
11/10/2015 6:10 pm

Jimmy, you nailed it when you said the issue is the heart. Black or white the issue is sin.

Judgment Day will be interesting - and all paths lead there.


GavinLS2 69M
1525 posts
11/11/2015 5:07 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    It's typical conservative thinking...

    Don't say anything bad about conservatism, but it okay for conservatives to say bad stuff about liberals.

    Don't say anything bad about Christianity, but okay for conservatives to say something bad about other religions including Atheist and Agnostics.

    Don't say anything bad about America, but conservatives will talk bad about your country all they want.

    Don't say anything bad about whites, but it okay for conservatives to say bad stuff about other races.
Here is where our agreement ends. I haven't seen any reports lately of conservatives trying to shut down free speech. I haven't heard anything about Christians cutting off ppl's heads or telling them they can't say "Happy Holidays". And I know plenty of conservatives who complain about America, especially more so as the PC insanity and our enemies within and without seek to destroy us.

And I don't see conservatives saying black and other ethnic groups are incapable of uplifting themselves out of poverty unless someone else does the lifting for them.

GBU,

Gavin


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/11/2015 6:57 am

    Quoting GavinLS2:
    Here is where our agreement ends. I haven't seen any reports lately of conservatives trying to shut down free speech. I haven't heard anything about Christians cutting off ppl's heads or telling them they can't say "Happy Holidays". And I know plenty of conservatives who complain about America, especially more so as the PC insanity and our enemies within and without seek to destroy us.

    And I don't see conservatives saying black and other ethnic groups are incapable of uplifting themselves out of poverty unless someone else does the lifting for them.

    GBU,

    Gavin

it's true, it's all true,

It's the perspective and assumption I have a problem with
The perspective of black and white is different, the perspective of liberal and conservative is different. There are no categorical statements in regards to that.
There is much truth is your perspective, I agree
The assumption that your perspective is the right and only one, is where I disagree.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/11/2015 7:02 am

"No one here, who has not had recent experience with academia, the incubators of the Grievance Industry can understand why we gone so far afield from the 1960's attempts at solidarity to the nonsense we have now"
maisie,

An amazing statement, so much in it. so much to understand.
Anyway, I couldn't agree more. I hope we see it the same way


GavinLS2 69M
1525 posts
11/11/2015 10:21 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    it's true, it's all true,

    It's the perspective and assumption I have a problem with
    The perspective of black and white is different, the perspective of liberal and conservative is different. There are no categorical statements in regards to that.
    There is much truth is your perspective, I agree
    The assumption that your perspective is the right and only one, is where I disagree.
Jiminy, please note that in my initial statement I did NOT single out liberals as being solely at fault.

The idea that it's all due to conservatives is YOUR bias showing. Not mine.

I still maintain that ALL the various groups are equally at fault.

But if you still care to disagree, then I won't waste anymore of either of our time.

GBU,

Gavin


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
11/11/2015 7:38 pm

    Quoting GavinLS2:
    Jiminy, please note that in my initial statement I did NOT single out liberals as being solely at fault.

    The idea that it's all due to conservatives is YOUR bias showing. Not mine.

    I still maintain that ALL the various groups are equally at fault.

    But if you still care to disagree, then I won't waste anymore of either of our time.

    GBU,

    Gavin

my response was to lulu comment, the last line agreed with her.
Man you're taking it out of context. '
I didn't realize...I thought .it was about the blog, not about lulu's comment
please next time comment to lulu, about her comment not my comment back to her.
I get the feeling you are looking for argument. looking to put me in my place. reading my comment to lulu's response and trying to make it something that was totally my idea. well read my responses to you and comment on that. your comment has nothing to do with my
response to you.
what don;t you understand about the statement to you'''

"The perspective of black and white is different, the perspective of liberal and conservative is different. There are no categorical statements in regards to that."


context.