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starwomyn 70F
5258 posts
1/1/2021 5:44 am

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1/20/2022 5:58 pm

Firetruck By Any Other Name is STILL Constitutionally Protected

This is the second time I had to go toe to toe with a lawyer. It's so much fun being under estimated. One of the things that I learned about bullies is that you have to confront them or they keep on invading boundaries.

My landlord is a lawyer AND a bully. He is a former prosecuting attorney so I suspect that he is used it. The less I encounter him the better but it is not always avoidable. I can't unfriend or block him. Life on life's term.

So I get a text from him to remove a sign from my window. I have gone to a number of protests and I have the habit of storing them on the window pane. It blocks the sun and assure that they don't take up space in the closet. I made the sign that he found objective to a BLM protest. Civil Rights Acts - Enforce the FiretrUCKING Law!!!! Republican for Racial Justice, Ad Infinitum.

He advised me that Firetruck is not covered under Freedom of Speech due to the offensive FiretrUCKING wording. Oh Yeah!!!! I suspect that he was more offended by the words Civil Rights or perhaps the word Republicans,

Granted Firetruck is a euphemism for the four letter F-Word. Even that word is constitutionally protected per Cohen versus California (1971) United States Supreme Court.

A young man was wearing a jacket that said "F*ck The Draft," I remember that era well. A lot of young men held that sentiment. The young man was consequently arrested, taken to trail, and sentenced for 30 days in jail.

He took it to the California Court of Appeals and lost. The California Supreme Court refused to listen to the case. The case went to the United State Supreme Court.

Profanity can not be banned under the First Amendment per United States Supreme Court

The ruling was that an individual could not be convicted under a local disturbing the peace law when he wore a jacket bearing the words “F*ck the Draft” into a California courthouse. In Cohen v. California (1971),

Justice John Marshall Harlan II reasoned that “while the particular four-letter word being litigated here is perhaps more distasteful than most others of its genre, it is nevertheless often true that one man’s vulgarity is another’s lyric.” Harlan warned that “governments might soon seize upon the censorship of particular words as a convenient guise for banning the expression of unpopular views.” Cohen stands for the principle that profane words, in themselves, cannot be banned under the First Amendment.

My landlord the lawyer needs to crack open a lawbook more often. If he wants to see real vulgarity, he should have gone to the 2017 Women's March in Washington D.C. I would have cheerfully crocheted a pink hat for him.



Abracadabra


starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
1/1/2021 5:53 am

The first time I had to go toe to toe with a lawyer was for an unemployment claim. I was so frustrated with a bullying supervisor that I told someone that I was going to either make a voodoo doll of him and stick pins in his wee wee or pray for him. My conclusion was Prayer would be for the higher good of all.

At the hearing the lawyer mentioned to voodoo doll. I advised him that I did not make a voodoo doll of the supervisor, I went to a Catholic Church and lit a candle for the supervisor's redemption. I also lit one for the lawyer.

Maybe that's what I need to do for my landlord. The Dollar Store sells St. Jude candles. That might work for him.


Abracadabra


MrsJoe 76F
17388 posts
1/1/2021 7:06 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    The first time I had to go toe to toe with a lawyer was for an unemployment claim. I was so frustrated with a bullying supervisor that I told someone that I was going to either make a voodoo doll of him and stick pins in his wee wee or pray for him. My conclusion was Prayer would be for the higher good of all.

    At the hearing the lawyer mentioned to voodoo doll. I advised him that I did not make a voodoo doll of the supervisor, I went to a Catholic Church and lit a candle for the supervisor's redemption. I also lit one for the lawyer.

    Maybe that's what I need to do for my landlord. The Dollar Store sells St. Jude candles. That might work for him.
Two thoughts came to mind as I read this comment. The first is about the fact that the lawyer heard about the voodoo doll remark. Obviously, anything we say, can and will be used against us! LOL.
Second thought was just a silly one..... maybe you should do both for your landlord. Make a voodoo doll and light a candle....... under his wee wee!


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


MrsJoe 76F
17388 posts
1/1/2021 7:21 am

There are certain words that some people don't like. The one you mentioned is one of those for me, but only in the context of s&x. I think that is because I heard it used a lot in that context as a child and I thought it was so vulgar.
I have used it myself as an expletive or an adjective when I'm angry, along with other not so nice words.
Not only your landlord, but some college campuses need to crack those law books. It might not be profane words by definition they are trying to ban, but the push for 'safe zones' for the snowflakes who can't stand to hear anything they don't agree with could possibly be construed as a violation of others constitutional rights to free speech.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


MrsJoe 76F
17388 posts
1/1/2021 9:24 am

    Quoting  :

Smiling here, Sandy..... you are so right. And have you noticed how "nice" people who would never say the actual word, will liberally use substitute words? They will say things like effing, freaking, bleeping, etc..... as if that's ok as long as they don't say the actual word. ROFL.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


TxJW_20 81M

1/1/2021 1:20 pm

So then you two are saying it is ok for Remus to use the C word toward women. Right?


starwomyn replies on 1/1/2021 8:20 pm:
It is not okay but it is constitutionally protected unless he uses it to incite violence.

dusty117 73M

1/1/2021 2:22 pm

I listen to main stream Republican media all the time ... and I've never heard anything about some "Republicans for Racial Justice" agenda ... and I never heard any call to enforce Civil Rights Acts.

Your sign should be removed because it's bull sh!k


starwomyn replies on 1/1/2021 8:26 pm:
If you know anything about history, the Civil Rights Acts are all led and supported by Republicans while opposed by Democrats. There is a liberal narrative that is says otherwise and is erroneous. Constitutional conservatives protect the rights of all.

sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
1/1/2021 4:10 pm

This sign was in your window because you just happen to store it there? In the same way you just happen to store great congealed pools of cracking candle wax on your tablecloth?....


starwomyn replies on 1/1/2021 8:33 pm:
I uses candles quite a bit and sometimes the wax does spill. Eventually, I will toss the tablecloth along with the spilled wax.

myseek1 80F
1376 posts
1/1/2021 4:33 pm

Can somebody explain to me what is wrong with the word "firetrucking"? Consider that English is not my mother tongue. Isn't a fire truck a fire-fighting vehicle?
By the way, to block the sun, I would hang a curtain or use blinds....... But that's just me. LOL


Happiness is when what you think, what you say, what you do are in harmony - M. Gandhi


starwomyn replies on 1/1/2021 8:37 pm:
There are people who use substitute words for cuss words. I say the work Firetruck instead a certain cuss word because both words start with F and end with UCK. There are a lot of things that I do that are not quite conventional.

TxJW_20 81M

1/1/2021 5:27 pm

Seek it is better that you remain innocent-----she was probably married to a trucker. LOL
And Mrs Joe hangs around Remus so anything goes unless it is Sunday church session or a Marbella prayer confessional.
Party On!


starwomyn replies on 1/1/2021 8:30 pm:
I was married to a construction worker and an electrician. They both were known to utter profanity. I tend to use euphemisms instead unless I am alone and the f-word is one of my favorites.

MrsJoe 76F
17388 posts
1/1/2021 7:23 pm

    Quoting TxJW_20:
    Seek it is better that you remain innocent-----she was probably married to a trucker. LOL
    And Mrs Joe hangs around Remus so anything goes unless it is Sunday church session or a Marbella prayer confessional.
    Party On!
And what did I do to deserve that attack? Admit that I'm human and can laugh at naughty stuff or say a nasty word sometime?

Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
1/1/2021 8:46 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    And what did I do to deserve that attack? Admit that I'm human and can laugh at naughty stuff or say a nasty word sometime?
Tex, why pick on MrsJoe just because you have problems with Remus. There are many of us who value spirituality but realize that it's progress not perfection. We are spiritual beings having a human experience. I believe everyone eventually progresses, there are some that are further along on the road than others or approaching it differently.


Abracadabra


TxJW_20 81M

1/1/2021 8:56 pm

Mrs Joe that was not an attack. it was just a simple statement clarifying where to use differing language for varying effect influenced by the surroundings.

If you read what I said ----it was in agreement with what you just said.------talk one way sometime------talk differently at other times----- so there is no problem.

You can talk to Marbella one way & talk another way to others & it's OK.
I'm agreeing with you.

I'm not the one who does the preaching. LOL


MrsJoe 76F
17388 posts
1/1/2021 9:47 pm

    Quoting TxJW_20:
    Mrs Joe that was not an attack. it was just a simple statement clarifying where to use differing language for varying effect influenced by the surroundings.

    If you read what I said ----it was in agreement with what you just said.------talk one way sometime------talk differently at other times----- so there is no problem.

    You can talk to Marbella one way & talk another way to others & it's OK.
    I'm agreeing with you.

    I'm not the one who does the preaching. LOL
JR, this being a public forum, everyone can see what is said anywhere.... and what I say on Marbella's blogs are exactly the way I am.... AND I am also very human and I often fall short of the goals I believe God has for me..... everybody does, but I keep trying and I can encourage other to do the same.
But I see nothing wrong with a chuckle at something naughty..... or the occasional use of a word of profanity. Profanity is not the best use of language, but then again, I don't always use good English.
The problem seems to lay in what others perceive Christians have to be. We do not fit in the mold that others would have us to fit.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


Maudie1 74F
8151 posts
1/2/2021 1:20 am

Firetruck is better than the original version anyway. I must remember that the next time I feel like venting.

Firetrucking is very common here in Ireland, among a lot of other swear words. some far, far worse in my opinion.


lilium6 74F
4498 posts
1/2/2021 12:39 pm

Once, while holidaying in far north Qld, I became friendly with a warm hearted young Australian who had the habit of liberally using the 'F' word in conversation. I couldn't resist teasing him by casually doing same but changed the word to 'puck' or 'pucking puck' which of course rendered it ineffectual. We both laughed; he got the point. He was a fun guy.

In its time, I also thought adopting the slogan FCUK a clever marketing strategy by British global retailer French Connection, as the mind does a quick double take - it still does when coming across it randomly.


dusty117 73M

1/2/2021 1:08 pm

Sure, the opposition to the Civil Rights Acts of the 1960s was bipartisan ... and it had more to do with region than political party. The racist Southern States were electing Democrats then, and Politicians were afraid losing the Southern Democrat vote.

That was the Republican Party then .. this is now.

And the Oakland Raiders used to be "the winningest team in football".


TxJW_20 81M

1/2/2021 11:54 pm

The problem is not in what OTHERS perceive Christians have to be.

Christians determine their own rules & their problem is they can not live up to their own rules.

Others have nothing to do with it they only observe.
I like being free. It is something many never experience.