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starwomyn 70F
5429 posts
8/8/2017 3:18 am

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White Privilege, the Race Card or Divine Intervention?

So yesterday, I got into a bit of a confrontation with a bi-racial woman. There was an article stating the Christians tend to blame people for being poor. She said that was very true of Quakers because she was homeless more than a few times and NOBODY lifted a finger to help her because of her race. Another woman pointed out that she did receive help because she was able to housesit for several months. But she didn't receive help AFTER the housesitting. Dah! Are folks suppose to provide permanent housing for someone?

The bi-racial woman started give other examples of racism naming names. I've heard the other side of the story. It can cause major harm falsely accusing individuals of racism. I asked her "Is this white privilege or the race card?"

I have also been homeless more than once but always managed to survive and land back on my feet with the help of my Higher Power and guardian angels. Life is not always fair but I am certain that People of Color also have a Higher Power.

I ended up in the predicament because of my stupid decisions. (usually a man) but stressed that it is important for me to acknowledge and take responsibility for my mistakes. Professional victims are always blaming somebody else and nothing can change for the better because someone else's fault is in control.

Oh Well, I am sure I am going to hear from what a terrible, judgmental racist that I am. Life on life's terms. When wrong, promptly admit it. I'll survive.



Abracadabra


starwomyn 70F
8876 posts
8/8/2017 3:19 am



Abracadabra


MrsJoe 76F
17470 posts
8/8/2017 4:23 am

So while housesitting, it appears she did nothing to help her future situation? It is takers like that, no matter what color they are, that muddies the waters for everyone in need. It has nothing to do with color, it's about attitude and work ethics.

Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/8/2017 6:13 am

Although I agree with what you have said. I believe it is neither white privileged or the "race card". I believe white or race has nothing to do with it.

We all should deal with what's thrown at us, but that's rarely the case. Almost always what's thrown at us, becomes the issue, instead of how we deal with it.

Irregardless of race, we almost always use excuses and justification. It's no different than playing the race card, it's an excuse and a justification.

I'm not dissing you, just pointing something out. I know what your intent was, but still....you can look at it differently.

"I ended up in the predicament because of my stupid decisions. (usually a man)"

Two things about that statement.
First there's is no such thing as stupid decisions, just stupid results
Second, Did you create the predicament, or does "usually a man" create the predicament?
I am trying to show how we all do it, almost everyone. You make a decision, the stupidity of that decision rests entirely in the results. which is the first wrong thinking. Those results, depends on the man. So, at the time, you made the right decision for you. You just didn't make the right decision for the man. Which you should have realized, you had limited control over. Yet all of a sudden, it becomes a stupid decisions. So in your mind, you actually did have control.

Again, excuses and justification. It's no different when it comes to race.


MrsJoe 76F
17470 posts
8/8/2017 6:23 am

JC, as usual you go around in circles and are trying to analyze situations and people...... of which you have no personal knowledge.
If Star said she made stupid decisions, then that is her analysis of her own decisions and results, and she is the only one who can look back and make that determination ..... you don't know if she had a red flag or not when she made those decisions and went ahead anyway. You have no idea of the events of which she speaks, so you cannot analyze them......
As many have said, "What's the matter with you?"


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


MrsJoe 76F
17470 posts
8/8/2017 6:27 am

Star, you know how much I admire you! You may have made some stupid decisions (haven't we all?) that led to some catastrophic results..... but you took responsibility, took the reins of your life in your own hands and with God's help, rose up above those circumstances...... AND planted sunflowers along the way!
And look at you now!


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/8/2017 6:33 am

I am dismissing the idea that there are 'bad' men out there....Ones that are trying to set you up.. although they exist, just like racists exist.

But in form, you do the same thing as those who accuse other of racism. It's an excuse and justification..

Isn't it a small leap...that ALL men......just set you up. That if you have control, it may be your responsibility..... but then again....Isn't is the man's fault, you made a "stupid decision", and the man's responsibility to prove you made the right decision?


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/8/2017 6:57 am

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    JC, as usual you go around in circles and are trying to analyze situations and people...... of which you have no personal knowledge.
    If Star said she made stupid decisions, then that is her analysis of her own decisions and results, and she is the only one who can look back and make that determination ..... you don't know if she had a red flag or not when she made those decisions and went ahead anyway. You have no idea of the events of which she speaks, so you cannot analyze them......
    As many have said, "What's the matter with you?"
I said...
"I'm not dissing you, just pointing something out. I know what your intent was, but still....you can look at it differently."

That's my point .... I'm not judging her. Just trying to point there are different ways to look at things. that sometimes the big picture say more, than the small part of it.

I was not judging her... but let me judge you and your blog response.
You refuse to see the big picture. You go along with the crowd. You think everything is about a person, and not people in general. You accuse people of stuff that you do, but you never see yourself doing it. You accuse me, of something, then you do it to me.. You're painting a picture of me , that is really a picture of you.
I talk in circles, but you only hear straight. I don't think that way..so be it....

I can only hope that starwomyn, didn't take it the way you did.

I started this blog in agreement, nothing I said disagrees with Starwomyn's blog.
her blog is the truth...I'm not changing her truth, I'm expanding on it.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/8/2017 7:17 am

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    JC, as usual you go around in circles and are trying to analyze situations and people...... of which you have no personal knowledge.
    If Star said she made stupid decisions, then that is her analysis of her own decisions and results, and she is the only one who can look back and make that determination ..... you don't know if she had a red flag or not when she made those decisions and went ahead anyway. You have no idea of the events of which she speaks, so you cannot analyze them......
    As many have said, "What's the matter with you?"
As many have said, "What's the matter with you?"

pretty revealing.. i'd say..

But let's talk about ..."What's the matter with you?"

"white privilege', "race card", "liberal identification". "conservative identification"
and identifying people who talk in circles.. starwomyn wrote a blog about 'labels'
Did you miss that one?

Well you missed, it even you read it...
Just like you missed this one.

This blog played into your hands. You got to choose the cards.

I read it differently....I read it as the cards didn't make any difference. it wasn't about the "race card" or "white privilege" it was about how people use it.
I totally agree with her.

My point was that it's not unusual.......all the cards being played are virtually the same. don't fault those who play the race card, or blame it on white privilege. They are not different or lacking. They do it because that what almost every person does, one way or another.


Rocketship 80F
18611 posts
8/8/2017 7:30 am

I strongly feel that social safety nets are very important.

I also strongly feel that some social safety nets should be temporary, not a career.


starwomyn 70F
8876 posts
8/8/2017 7:32 am

Jimmy - No offense taken. Your mind works in loops and swirls. There is nothing wrong with that. My brain operates the same way..

On the other hand, Mrs. Joe has been with me through stupid man number 1 and stupid man number 2 and has often helped me get more focused to figure out how to make the best of the predicaments that I got myself into. Luckily I have a guardian angel with a sense of humor.

She has also helped me when I was dealing with my brother's death and my ex-hubby's death. There comes a point when all you can do is pray but Mrs. Joe reminded me that praying is a lot


Abracadabra


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/8/2017 7:56 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    Jimmy - No offense taken. Your mind works in loops and swirls. There is nothing wrong with that. My brain operates the same way..

    On the other hand, Mrs. Joe has been with me through stupid man number 1 and stupid man number 2 and has often helped me get more focused to figure out how to make the best of the predicaments that I got myself into. Luckily I have a guardian angel with a sense of humor.

    She has also helped me when I was dealing with my brother's death and my ex-hubby's death. There comes a point when all you can do is pray but Mrs. Joe reminded me that praying is a lot
The fact is mrsjoe attacked me, when i did not attack you.

mrsjoe is friends with fossil, but does she come to support you, when it's him attacking you..

Why does mrsjoe get to choose? What's her criteria for choosing? Is her criteria about her, or about you.

My point again.. is that I don't want you to fault your decisions about the men you been with. they don't matter, just you. Pointing the finger at yourself or the men you were with, doesn't do any good.....sh*t happens. The one good thing about life..is it doesn't happen all the time. Stay positive, positively positiveness.


starwomyn 70F
8876 posts
8/8/2017 8:35 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    The fact is mrsjoe attacked me, when i did not attack you.

    mrsjoe is friends with fossil, but does she come to support you, when it's him attacking you..

    Why does mrsjoe get to choose? What's her criteria for choosing? Is her criteria about her, or about you.

    My point again.. is that I don't want you to fault your decisions about the men you been with. they don't matter, just you. Pointing the finger at yourself or the men you were with, doesn't do any good.....sh*t happens. The one good thing about life..is it doesn't happen all the time. Stay positive, positively positiveness.
Jimmy, I don't perceive Fossil's feedback as an attack. It is simply a difference of opinions. There can be mutual respect despite differences although some folks do enjoy the stick measuring competitions. Let them have their fun.

"I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend.". -
Thomas Jefferson to William Hamilton, April 22, 18001. In this letter, Jefferson responded to "the appearance of neglect" which his friend William Hamilton (1745-1813) had brought to his attention.

Abracadabra


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/8/2017 9:01 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    Jimmy, I don't perceive Fossil's feedback as an attack. It is simply a difference of opinions. There can be mutual respect despite differences although some folks do enjoy the stick measuring competitions. Let them have their fun.

    "I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend.". - Thomas Jefferson to William Hamilton, April 22, 18001. In this letter, Jefferson responded to "the appearance of neglect" which his friend William Hamilton (1745-1813) had brought to his attention.
Maybe it seems. I attack back.....but i really don't.

mrsjoe is good people, mrsjoe is the nicest person that attacks me.....So, it does matter, it matter when she conforms. With her at least i have hope that her empathy for others, could become empathy with me.
I don't have all the answers.. I just have a damn lot of questions.

I reveal what she does not to attack her, not to make other think less of her. I don't need to be all right, I just need to part right. Does she do the same for me, I have agreed with the flaws she has accuse me of... It's not good enough though.

She says I talk in circles......well, like you understand, I do talk in circles... What does that mean that I talk in circle? Does it mean I'm a bad person. Does it mean I need to talk straight....Well, that would be good if I believed like they do, to say stuff without self-judgment, and just be self righteous. But instead I question everything, and confront those who question nothing.


starwomyn 70F
8876 posts
8/8/2017 10:00 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    Maybe it seems. I attack back.....but i really don't.

    mrsjoe is good people, mrsjoe is the nicest person that attacks me.....So, it does matter, it matter when she conforms. With her at least i have hope that her empathy for others, could become empathy with me.
    I don't have all the answers.. I just have a damn lot of questions.

    I reveal what she does not to attack her, not to make other think less of her. I don't need to be all right, I just need to part right. Does she do the same for me, I have agreed with the flaws she has accuse me of... It's not good enough though.

    She says I talk in circles......well, like you understand, I do talk in circles... What does that mean that I talk in circle? Does it mean I'm a bad person. Does it mean I need to talk straight....Well, that would be good if I believed like they do, to say stuff without self-judgment, and just be self righteous. But instead I question everything, and confront those who question nothing.
Jimmy, if I were to do your chart, I bet I would find strong Virgo aspects with a lots of air sign. I am a typical Libra with the uncanny ability the validity in both sides of an issue. I understand you because my brain works the same way. If somebody wants to judge me for who I am, I figure what somebody thinks of me is none of my business.

Abracadabra


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/9/2017 5:11 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    Jimmy, if I were to do your chart, I bet I would find strong Virgo aspects with a lots of air sign. I am a typical Libra with the uncanny ability the validity in both sides of an issue. I understand you because my brain works the same way. If somebody wants to judge me for who I am, I figure what somebody thinks of me is none of my business.
Well i agree.. although i'm a hard headed Aries.

One of the great riddles of life.......is the conflict of importance between what others think of you, and what you think of yourself.

It use to be important what others thought me, as a measuring stick of who I am.
but there came a time, when I realized what I thought of me, was far more important.
And a far more difficult decision.
I doubt i will ever complete the struggle to determine who I am. But what I think i have learned is that we have to give into it, whatever it is.
What other think of me, may not be as important, but it still reflects on me.
I no longer have a goal to prove to other who i am. For it's something I'm not sure of myself. So I can't tell anybody who i am...I'm still struggling with that. They can think what they want.
but because I question everything and there are SOME things I do know. I can't help, but challenge some people who think of me, what I know I am NOT.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/9/2017 5:41 am

For example , I find it quite interesting, that i was able to get a disagreement to my last blog response, before the ink dried.

Does it require a level of understanding before one can disagree? Is it a practical idea to be able to JUST disagree with a person, because of who think that person is.

You see again, iI question everything.

Most days i question, what am I doing here?. Obviously, if what other thought of me was important there is no way I would be here. but each day, it becomes a challenge to me, of not what others think of me, but what I think of myself.

I am not here to convince anybody of anything, I purposely work against that.
But being here is rather essential to my own journey of discovery.