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earthytaurus3 78F
15689 posts
1/8/2019 7:26 am
Do you think a need for the insistance of a WALL on our southern border calls for a national crisis?

SAME question …...
No, it's over-stated for political purposes.
Yes, it warrants calling out a naional crisis.


earthytaurus3 78F
38765 posts
1/8/2019 7:28 am

Just curious to see the general consensus here in this venue.


earthytaurus3 78F
38765 posts
1/8/2019 9:50 am

….


sparkleflit 71F
3766 posts
1/8/2019 10:53 am

I'ts not "overstated for political purposes"........they are outright lies........over and over, Trump and his acolytes spewing lies.........They are being fact-checked in real time.......they know what they are doing.....it's deliberate and consequential.........I don't understand why you and others insist on using euphemisms and not facing the fact that your president lies shamelessly and constantly and doesn't care about the consequences......or is completely unaware and there are those around him who are whores to power that kiss his ass...........


hiramhankwilliam 95M
3223 posts
1/8/2019 10:58 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    I'ts not "overstated for political purposes"........they are outright lies........over and over, Trump and his acolytes spewing lies.........They are being fact-checked in real time.......they know what they are doing.....it's deliberate and consequential.........I don't understand why you and others insist on using euphemisms and not facing the fact that your president lies shamelessly and constantly and doesn't care about the consequences......or is completely unaware and there are those around him who are whores to power that kiss his ass...........
boy you are CRANKY old bitty/biddy this morn.

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


sparkleflit 71F
3766 posts
1/8/2019 11:46 am

I'm fed up to the teeth with all the bowing and scraping.......the insanity of Trump taking over everything......The only way to escape the Trump madness is to completely cut off from the world........For God's sake get out on the street and riot......get rid of him.....He's a monster.....


Maisie2013 67F
19037 posts
1/8/2019 11:52 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    I'm fed up to the teeth with all the bowing and scraping.......the insanity of Trump taking over everything......The only way to escape the Trump madness is to completely cut off from the world........For God's sake get out on the street and riot......get rid of him.....He's a monster.....
Your direction has been noted. And laughed at.
And BTW- the rioting has already taken place. Nothing like a little anarchy to get your way, right?


CarolinaPanthera 57F
2175 posts
1/8/2019 11:55 am

Really?

Every word she spoke is the truth. Trump knows more about everything than anyone in the world, so he listens to his 'gut,' and makes impulsive decisions, and the rest of the United States has to deal with the consequences later. After all, he did say that the little man "makes adjustments, they always do."

I know your 'God' told you to not believe anything you see, hear, or read (even though it's recorded on video, and fact checked) but good grief! What's it going to take until you take off the blinders, and get out of the deep state of denial you're in?


Maisie2013 67F
19037 posts
1/8/2019 12:00 pm

I would add a bit to your poll. It is a bit of both. In that the deadly fentanyl is coming over the Southern Border, and the Border Patrol has said more barrier would make their job a lot better, it is a crisis. But not much more than the crisis of the flood of unaccompanied minors during the Obama years.

It is a crisis, in that these people have to be fed, get medical care, go to school, and most are on welfare , far more than citizens. Add in the costs of the criminals. The influx of low skilled labor creates a crisis for the low skilled African Americans. They cost 10 times more than the taxes they contribute. It is not a sudden crisis, but one that has been building , and will soon reach critical mass.


bob77O21__ 75M
8072 posts
1/8/2019 12:01 pm

How does 'this morn' differ from any other?


earthytaurus3 78F
38765 posts
1/8/2019 12:03 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    I'ts not "overstated for political purposes"........they are outright lies........over and over, Trump and his acolytes spewing lies.........They are being fact-checked in real time.......they know what they are doing.....it's deliberate and consequential.........I don't understand why you and others insist on using euphemisms and not facing the fact that your president lies shamelessly and constantly and doesn't care about the consequences......or is completely unaware and there are those around him who are whores to power that kiss his ass...........
THAT is a given. You act as if it's a surprise to me.


earthytaurus3 78F
38765 posts
1/8/2019 12:06 pm

    Quoting CarolinaPanthera:
    Really?

    Every word she spoke is the truth. Trump knows more about everything than anyone in the world, so he listens to his 'gut,' and makes impulsive decisions, and the rest of the United States has to deal with the consequences later. After all, he did say that the little man "makes adjustments, they always do."

    I know your 'God' told you to not believe anything you see, hear, or read (even though it's recorded on video, and fact checked) but good grief! What's it going to take until you take off the blinders, and get out of the deep state of denial you're in?
I have no argument with your take on Trump. You should be well aware of that by now.


dusty117 68M
724 posts
1/8/2019 12:33 pm

Border security helps a little bit in the short term .. then it's a matter of time until people discover how to go over, under around and through it. So it's useless, the cost is stupid, Trump is stupid.

Prosecute employers of illegals FIRST … there might be some bang for the buck there. But wait, that won't work. Trump sells hate and fear.


earthytaurus3 78F
38765 posts
1/8/2019 12:45 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    Border security helps a little bit in the short term .. then it's a matter of time until people discover how to go over, under around and through it. So it's useless, the cost is stupid, Trump is stupid.

    Prosecute employers of illegals FIRST … there might be some bang for the buck there. But wait, that won't work. Trump sells hate and fear.
I've read they already have tunnels with two lanes of traffic. Think there's any truth to that?

Trump does indeed sell hate and fear …. too many are buying it. At least that is what he would have us believe. I doubt he's receiving as much encouragement as he espouses. Even quite a few senate republicans are threatening to vote with the dems.

We'll see what he pulls off tonight as he commands the attention of the nation from every conceivable network. Talk about BIG BROTHER!


CarolinaPanthera 57F
2175 posts
1/8/2019 12:51 pm

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    I would add a bit to your poll. It is a bit of both. In that the deadly fentanyl is coming over the Southern Border, and the Border Patrol has said more barrier would make their job a lot better, it is a crisis. But not much more than the crisis of the flood of unaccompanied minors during the Obama years.

    It is a crisis, in that these people have to be fed, get medical care, go to school, and most are on welfare , far more than citizens. Add in the costs of the criminals. The influx of low skilled labor creates a crisis for the low skilled African Americans. They cost 10 times more than the taxes they contribute. It is not a sudden crisis, but one that has been building , and will soon reach critical mass.
Where do you get your statistics from?


CarolinaPanthera 57F
2175 posts
1/8/2019 12:53 pm

    Quoting earthytaurus3:
    I have no argument with your take on Trump. You should be well aware of that by now.
I am very well aware of that. The depth of denial by those who defend 'orange' is mind boggling.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
2175 posts
1/8/2019 12:55 pm

    Quoting bob77O21__:
    How does 'this morn' differ from any other?
SSDD. SAD!


starwomyn 65F
6075 posts
1/8/2019 12:55 pm

Crisis or otherwise, It's long overdue. The wall may not be a cure all but it will make border security work better

Stupidity liberales facit Puteulanus convertam eum canes in Republican



kneedtwoplease 63M
927 posts
1/8/2019 3:01 pm

what Star said, I agree

It shouldn't be an emergency, but an obvious plan.
WalI may not be necessary, but laws are not being enforced. As usual

Those who oppose the wall are the ones using the immigration problem as political agenda leverage.

I didn't vote in your poll because I see a bigger issue than the simple point you are trying to make. Fix the leak now, its getting worse


earthytaurus3 78F
38765 posts
1/8/2019 4:13 pm

    Quoting kneedtwoplease:
    what Star said, I agree

    It shouldn't be an emergency, but an obvious plan.
    WalI may not be necessary, but laws are not being enforced. As usual

    Those who oppose the wall are the ones using the immigration problem as political agenda leverage.

    I didn't vote in your poll because I see a bigger issue than the simple point you are trying to make. Fix the leak now, its getting worse
Oh, I'm NOT denying bigger issues! Not by a long shot. What 'leak' do you reference here? Share with me.


LeafReport 67M
745 posts
1/8/2019 5:01 pm

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    I would add a bit to your poll. It is a bit of both. In that the deadly fentanyl is coming over the Southern Border, and the Border Patrol has said more barrier would make their job a lot better, it is a crisis. But not much more than the crisis of the flood of unaccompanied minors during the Obama years.

    It is a crisis, in that these people have to be fed, get medical care, go to school, and most are on welfare , far more than citizens. Add in the costs of the criminals. The influx of low skilled labor creates a crisis for the low skilled African Americans. They cost 10 times more than the taxes they contribute. It is not a sudden crisis, but one that has been building , and will soon reach critical mass.


LeafReport 67M
745 posts
1/8/2019 5:05 pm

    Quoting bob77O21__:
    How does 'this morn' differ from any other?
Hi Bob...you were BALD yesterday, the day before yesterday, the day before that, the week before that, a year before that. But tomorrow will be different Bob. It won't be BALD Tuesday.......Guess what Dayyyyyyyyyy it is Bob? It's BALD Hump Day Bob....and the Pigeon is waiting.


LeafReport 67M
745 posts
1/8/2019 5:06 pm

Hey Earthy...I'll find out tomorrow. Can't miss Oak Island tonight.


hiramhankwilliam 95M
3223 posts
1/8/2019 6:50 pm

    Quoting CarolinaPanthera:
    Really?

    Every word she spoke is the truth. Trump knows more about everything than anyone in the world, so he listens to his 'gut,' and makes impulsive decisions, and the rest of the United States has to deal with the consequences later. After all, he did say that the little man "makes adjustments, they always do."

    I know your 'God' told you to not believe anything you see, hear, or read (even though it's recorded on video, and fact checked) but good grief! What's it going to take until you take off the blinders, and get out of the deep state of denial you're in?
mam, trump is no my GOD. trump is president.

MY GOD IS OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.

trump is a mortal. he has does and will make mistakes. same as all mortals. no i dont think ever think he nor any potus / politician has or wil say.

no i am not blind to trumps faults.

trump was not my choice for potus.

he was lesser of two evils.

regarding fact checks, facts are like azzholes and noses every one has one.

your idol barry was far far from truthful and factual.

we servived his 8 years and your ilk will survive 8 years of trump.

please never confuse any mortal with OUR LORD AND SAVIOR. yes HE IS YOURS ALSO

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


hiramhankwilliam 95M
3223 posts
1/8/2019 6:53 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    I'm fed up to the teeth with all the bowing and scraping.......the insanity of Trump taking over everything......The only way to escape the Trump madness is to completely cut off from the world........For God's sake get out on the street and riot......get rid of him.....He's a monster.....
LULU,

trust me should the dems start taking away things as well as im posing things.

you will see and hear of not rioting but whole sale anarchy.

me thinks you allow thing that has little or no affect on you to bother you.

I would suspect there is some thing deeper wrong with you than trump

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


CarolinaPanthera 57F
2175 posts
1/8/2019 7:16 pm

    Quoting hiramhankwilliam:
    mam, trump is no my GOD. trump is president.

    MY GOD IS OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.

    trump is a mortal. he has does and will make mistakes. same as all mortals. no i dont think ever think he nor any potus / politician has or wil say.

    no i am not blind to trumps faults.

    trump was not my choice for potus.

    he was lesser of two evils.

    regarding fact checks, facts are like azzholes and noses every one has one.

    your idol barry was far far from truthful and factual.

    we servived his 8 years and your ilk will survive 8 years of trump.

    please never confuse any mortal with OUR LORD AND SAVIOR. yes HE IS YOURS ALSO
"Facts are like azzholes" huh?

The truth's not the truth either is it? It's much worse than I thought.


hiramhankwilliam 95M
3223 posts
1/8/2019 8:50 pm

    Quoting CarolinaPanthera:
    "Facts are like azzholes" huh?

    The truth's not the truth either is it? It's much worse than I thought.
mam, the truth depends on who is telling it and who is listening or reading.

maybe the word is perception.

telling the truth is like stating facts. in both cases it depends on who's fact and who believes the so called truth..

once again, perception.

oh yes. if any one telling or listening/ reading hasa closed mind then the facts ar and the truth is lost

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


jiminycricket1 68M
10037 posts
1/9/2019 9:11 am

So what is the greatest deterrent to "illegal immigration"
1... build a wall
2... Have Trump as our President??????

My answer... Whether it's illegal or legal immigration the greatest deterrent to immigration in this country is Donald Trump..
Who needs a border wall.....when our Presidents walls everyone out..


CarolinaPanthera 57F
2175 posts
1/9/2019 12:30 pm

    Quoting hiramhankwilliam:
    mam, the truth depends on who is telling it and who is listening or reading.

    maybe the word is perception.

    telling the truth is like stating facts. in both cases it depends on who's fact and who believes the so called truth..

    once again, perception.

    oh yes. if any one telling or listening/ reading hasa closed mind then the facts ar and the truth is lost
Gotta love those "alternative facts." My microwave is spying on me.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
2175 posts
1/10/2019 7:06 am

    Quoting  :

Is your wall-fence made of "artistically designed steel slats, so that you can easily see through it" with a big, beautiful gate?


jiminycricket1 68M
10037 posts
1/10/2019 3:56 pm

    Quoting  :

Well you fall in to the Trump narrative..

"Saying they are ineffective is a demonstration of stupidity regardless of who says it."

The irony of this statement. Which "the who" directly is not correct... but the who indirectly is...

Confusing?

Saying fences are ineffective because someone says they are not sufficiently effective.
Is the stupidity

Saying Border Security includes A Wall.. is not the same as saying A WALL is Border Security

One can think a mouse is small elephant..But nobody should think an elephant is a big mouse.....The wall can be a mouse.... but border security is the elephant in the room.
Party On! LOL


earthytaurus3 78F
38765 posts
1/11/2019 1:00 am

    Quoting  :

What about the imminent domain fusion that will be required to achieve 'the wall'? I listened to a public radio broadcast addressing the subject, and it would be far more invasive than has been publicized. What about tunnels? What about the contraband that goes undetected and enters this country through legal ports of entry by land, air and sea?

Personally, I think increased border patrol by rotating national guard units and increased numbers recruited to the serve in the coast guard would be more effective than a physical wall and probably much more cost effective because they're funded in the military budget which is already the largest budget of all.


earthytaurus3 78F
38765 posts
1/12/2019 1:49 am

    Quoting  :

I was thinking of a more productive way to use the troops we're bringing back from Syria …. and, perhaps, Afghanistan as well. There's got to be a better way to deal with the issues than a WALL.


earthytaurus3 78F
38765 posts
1/12/2019 1:53 am

    Quoting  :

You will never get an argument from me on this one!


earthytaurus3 78F
38765 posts
1/12/2019 1:55 am

    Quoting  :

You didn't speak to imminent domain.