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starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
6/14/2017 5:00 am

Sensible people usually find themselves outspoken by loud mouths. There are some who need to acknowledge that white men died trying to end slavery.

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Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
6/14/2017 7:09 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    Sensible people usually find themselves outspoken by loud mouths. There are some who need to acknowledge that white men died trying to end slavery.
...And some of the same white men almost wiped out the native people of America...much in the same way ISIL are doing in the Middle-East right now.
Black men also died trying to end slavery too, so did brown men...even "the dreaded Muslims" Trump supporters love to hate have died...which I know for a fact because I lost three much loved friends in the Twin Towers.

The fact is... all of our ancestors committed many acts that were evil, the successes and great wealth of our Nations were built on the backs of the Nations we conquered. In many countries all over the world people of all colours and creeds have died... and are still dying today to end persecution. Simply because some of the human race are looked on as some sort of sub-human tools to enrich the lives of others.

None of us today can be held responsible for any of that...but if we live our lives seeing some people as inferior for any reason, be it politics, religion, skin colour or whatever...then we make ourselves just as guilty... if not even more so, because we supposedly have the benefit of hindsight.
We have all seen the mass suffering of humanity that "The sins of the Fathers" has caused.
None of us should re-write history...it is vital that we all learn from the past. or we are doomed to destroy this planet completely.


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
6/14/2017 7:27 am

By the way Bigblock... what about this for rewriting history??

By Jack Holmes
May 2, 2017

President Trump's American history credentials have rarely been questioned, except by anyone who knows even a modicum of history. So it was surprising on Monday when the president flubbed his take on the Civil War: the whole thing could have been avoided; President Andrew Jackson was upset by the war even though he died 16 years before it began; and why didn't anyone stop it, anyway? The incident prompted The New York Times to re-examine the president's past issues with history, including when he thought Frederick Douglass was still alive, and the time he bought a "fixer-upper" golf course that was once home to a Civil War battle site. Sort of.

The Times article links to the paper's 2015 report on the incident, which recounted how Trump bought the course in Virginia—now renamed the Trump National Golf Club—back in 2009, and got to work getting it up to The Trump Standard. That included building a flagpole along the river complete with a plaque commemorating the "River of Blood," a dramatic name for a harrowing event that never happened. But the plaque begged to differ:

"Many great American soldiers, both of the North and South, died at this spot," the inscription reads. "The casualties were so great that the water would turn red and thus became known as 'The River of Blood.'"

How else could they know? It's not like there are writings and contemporary accounts from the time, and anyway, who would read them?

Mr. Trump repeatedly said that "numerous historians" had told him that the golf club site was known as the River of Blood. But he said he did not remember their names. Then he said the historians had spoken not to him but to "my people." But he refused to identify any underlings who might still possess the historians' names.

"Write your story the way you want to write it," Mr. Trump said finally, when pressed unsuccessfully for anything that could corroborate his claim. "You don't have to talk to anybody. It doesn't make any difference. But many people were shot. It makes sense."
This actually sounds like it was dictated by Trump, who in a phone interview with the Times called himself "a big history fan." Reporters from the paper told him they'd spoken with multiple local historians, all of whom said there was no Civil War battle within 11 miles of the plaque. The exchange that followed was quintessentially Trumpian:

"That was a prime site for river crossings," Mr. Trump said. "So, if people are crossing the river, and you happen to be in a civil war, I would say that people were shot — a lot of them."

People crossed there, so surely, if there was a war, people were shot while crossing. It just makes sense. But he continued:

"How would they know that?" Mr. Trump asked when told that local historians had called his plaque a fiction. "Were they there?"


MrsJoe 76F
17370 posts
6/14/2017 9:05 am

No, the monuments in the north will remain..... it is the conservative South that must be punished and deleted.

Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
6/14/2017 1:31 pm

    Quoting  :

It is ironic that the removal of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee , Stonewall Jackson, and J.E.B. Stuart. Confederate President Jefferson Davis monuments plus a request to remove the graves Confederate Lt. Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, and his wife, are declared to be all about Trump.

Trump was born in Yankee territory. He lives closer to Union General and President Ulysses Grant's Tomb is located in Riverside Park in the Morningside Heights neighborhood of Upper Manhattan in New York City.

Neither his maternal or paternal ancestors were even in the United States during the Civil War.

Abracadabra