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Nileyears 71F
2380 posts
6/23/2017 12:33 pm
Blame the Parents, or Our Society?

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Nileyears 71F
4208 posts
6/23/2017 12:41 pm

Doing the bump thingy


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
6/23/2017 1:19 pm

maybe, we can blame the parents for the specific action, but certainly we COULD blame society for the parameters in which it takes place.

But that being said, we live in time when nothing is hidden.
The idea of prevalent is base on knowledge. We know it all now.
The question is not what we knew then, it's about what we didn't know then.

So, you now get to blog it, and we get see it. We have to understand that just about everything happen, at some time. Sometimes labeling and blame, does not serve the purpose it intends.

So no matter who's to blame for why it happen. Your outrage about it, is the same as most people, and most people create our society. It's still not acceptable behavior, and as such society is not to blame. Unless you think you're alone in your outrage.


Nileyears replies on 6/23/2017 3:43 pm:
No, nothing is hidden, children see it all now.

So you are saying we can't put blame on anything? Yet they learn violence from the things around them, nothing, as you have pointed out, is hidden from them.

The choice truly is in the mind and heart of an individual, but if a child never sees, or feels compassion, only cruelty, hate and violence, what choice do you think this child will make?

Outrage? No, it saddens me, all the violence I see here and around the globe gives me lack of hope for those generations that follow behind us.

starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
6/23/2017 1:59 pm

We must reject the idea that every time a law’s broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions. quoted by Ronald Reagan

Abracadabra


Nileyears replies on 6/23/2017 4:40 pm:
I totally agree with that Star, but this is a teenager who most likely is still living under his parent's roof. Once a teen hits the ripe old age of 18, he/she is accountable for his/her own actions, not very often is a 16 year old tried as an adult, very rare.

I read a few years ago that in the state of Illinois a parent who doesn't take control of their child's truancy is fined and even jailed. So the state does blame the parent for their lack of concern about the child, therefore is to blame for their child's behavior. Of course society is of no help and neither is peer pressure.

jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
6/23/2017 4:55 pm

No, nothing is hidden, children see it all now.

So you are saying we can't put blame on anything? Yet they learn violence from the things around them, nothing, as you have pointed out, is hidden from them.

The choice truly is in the mind and heart of an individual, but if a child never sees, or feels compassion, only cruelty, hate and violence, what choice do you think this child will make?

Outrage? No, it saddens me, all the violence I see here and around the globe gives me lack of hope for those generations that follow behind us".... nile

no things in past were hidden...nothing is hidden now..
that's the point
You know about it now. but that doesn't mean it didn't happen in the past.

the idea it is a current phenomenon, is just not wise.
Putting blame on current circumstances. has just as much chance of being NOT true as being true.

Because we know it, we can't help but say " what is this world coming to"
that's the first step to stopping it.

Spousal abuse and Child abuse still occurs, but it occurs a lot less than it use to.
We were made aware of it.
bulling is now the subject, we are aware of.....as long as it not promoted. I don't think you need to worry about it so much.
It ain't going stop, but when it doesn't, it will harder to blame the parents or society.


Nileyears replies on 6/23/2017 5:33 pm:
I get that things were hidden from us as children, we learned about those "hidden things" when we became adults.

Life is a balancing act, not all of us are perfectly good, nor extremely bad. I had a good Mom, an abusive dad, so did I become abusive? No! Am I a saint? No way!! But I was in a way lucky to see the difference in the two, some kids will only see one side, good, or bad.

What makes you think I am worried? I have no control of the outcome of our future generations. Now if I was still alive, that would give me something to worry about, but I doubt our generation will be around to see it.

jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
6/24/2017 8:18 am

    Quoting LeafSweeper:
    This is exactly the point I tried to make..."The choice truly is in the mind and heart of an individual, but if a child never sees, or feels compassion, only cruelty, hate and violence, what choice do you think this child will make? " I just advanced theory on how this came about...the tearing of moral fabric. Your contribution is important here, because its pretty obvious few can comprehend what it was they willingly surrendered. That's what makes the new reality so difficult to acknowledge, influence and change.
Absolutely.

There's no doubt the current atmosphere makes it easier, but still the question is does it create it?
I don't think It CREATES it.
I think it's always been there.

Whether it be political or social, there is really very little change in people.
What actually occurs.....is more people expose themselves

Trump didn't create his followers, you're stupid if you believe that.
He just exposed them.

maybe I'm stupid, but whereas most people take offense to the exposing.
I see, to expose it, is the only way to correct it.
It's been hiding under the surface for too long.
Don't try to correct it.. and send it back into hiding.
Racism, guns, religion intolerance, self serving, bigotry, and hate. don't let it hide.
When I think of Trump.. I think about the service he is doing us.
He's testing our metal..... If I'm stupid, it's because i have faith in US.

Leaf, you don't have to do anything... Let It Ride......It's self-annihilating.

It so tough to do, but simply be positive about everything. Positive about what you stand for, positive about what you'd like to see. Positive Positive Posiitve
Maybe you have the strength to be that way, but it sure is challenge for me, and i even understand it... doing it..... that's a different story. I seem to settling for not being too negative.
But, I do see Trump as blessing in disguise.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
6/24/2017 8:54 am

Leaf,
the Republican are done they have had their 15 minutes.

So the question is not about Republicans anymore, it's about Democrats..
What do Democrats stand for.?.
What does politicking mean to Democrats.?
How do Democrats get around demographic, labels, and special interest (both from the outside and their own)?
How can Democrat serve ALL the people.. including the rich?
How can Democrats bridge the divide?

The Republican created a base.
The rich, business owners, evangelicals, idiots and other racists,
Democrat now have
Minorities, women, immigrants, the underprivileged and people looking for handouts.

Democrats need to hit a home run. and clear the bases.

I'll tell you the type of thing to start with.
The Republican are trying to repeal Obamacare, that all they care about, they are just trying to make it palatable.
So Democrats fight the repeal, at same time say Obamacare needs some fixing.
They will let Bernie Sanders steal their thunder, and introduce a Medicare for all plan.(I don't want to get into right or wrong of Bernie Sander)
I want to get into the wrong of the Democrats for not having a repair plan to put forward. Instead, they are doing, just what the Republicans did, No Plan, just a goal.


MrsJoe 76F
17367 posts
6/26/2017 1:01 pm

Personal opinion........... there has been a slow but steady decline in family values in our country for decades, and we are seeing the results of it.

Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


Nileyears replies on 6/27/2017 2:25 pm:
Yes Pat, I see that as well.