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Maisie2013 65F
28420 posts
6/19/2017 10:43 am
HOW TO RUIN ROCK AND ROLL


Equality activists are pressuring British music festivals to end their reliance on bands dominated by white males.

Diversity experts ordered organizers to “open their minds” and book more female and ethnic minority acts at some fo the country’s biggest festivals including Reading, Leeds, Download, V Fest and Glastonbury.

The festival promoters have a good answer- We are here to sell tickets, That's a big 'Duh "

But hold on. Billing some third tier female will make them money, the activists cry.
“They (female/non-white acts) clearly have fans out there and if you put them on the bill they will clearly bring an audience and in some cases they will bring a new audience, because a lot of the male headliners have been round eight or nine times.” Said Keith Harris, the chair of UK Music’s Diversity Taskforce.

Obviously the operative word in his organization's title is NOT " Music ".

When one of the organizers of Reading and Leeds Festival was asked in 2015 why they kept booking so many men, he cited economics.

“Trust me, if there was a female headline act in the rock genre that sold the same amount of tickets as any one of the headline acts this year, I’d book them.”

Why is this so hard for the Social Justice Warriors to grasp? People don't buy music or pay $200 go to a Festival because they are yearning to support a Transgender, half Black /Hispanic with a hint of Chinese, Muslim bass player.
They go to HEAR THE MUSIC.
That is why it is a MUSIC festival. People play MUSIC. Other people pay to listen.
This isn't really that hard.

It is yet another example of the Fantasy Land most the Left lives in.
The harsh world of economic reality is somehow lost on them. Mandating anything other than what people want , or will part with their money for, is not going to create any Equality Utopia. Forcing an employer double his payroll, or pay for the health insurance after adding employee 50, is NOT going to magically make money for labor to appear.

Replacing Aerosmith with what is left of The Spice Girls is not going to have promoters running to the bank with a big deposit.

So to the Activists- I say " Shut up ". There are few places that are still meritocracies. One is sports. The other is the arts.
And Music is a place where the Free Market works quite well.


Maisie2013 65F
14772 posts
6/19/2017 10:46 am

" Bestival, a smaller event with a hippy reputation, said it has a “responsibility to help rebalance the male dominance of festival line-ups”.
As such, it is introducing gender quotas for its DJ stage next year, and will insist half of artists are female. " Kieran Corcoran of Heat Street, also credited with the first two lines of this blog.

To Bestival- lots of luck with that one.


Maisie2013 65F
14772 posts
6/19/2017 11:08 am

The other point I wanted to make is music ( or any other art ) sells when it does because it touches a chord with enough people to make it popular.
Elvis, the Beatles , Aerosmith, Tommy Dorsey, etc came along at just the right time. How many people made a record and it flopped, but someone else did the same song a few years later, and it hit ?
Popularity and consequently record or concert sales cannot be forced. But why, this group, this singer, this song at this time ? Who knows/
As the Romans used to say
de gustibus non est disputandum


Maisie2013 65F
14772 posts
6/19/2017 7:18 pm

    Quoting rockderringer:
    Unfortunately the hey day of the rock band is over, albums don't sell like the use to, can't even recover the costs much less make a profit. These days everyone just downloads and/or pirates everything. When's the last time you seen a Warehouse or tower records? Have heard a number of former rock recording artists state there is little incentive in making records anymore it's a losing venture. But your right it was always about the music, no one cared Hendrix was black or Cat Stevens was Muslim it was about the music. Although I love seeing them it kinda sucks seeing the likes of Foreigner and Bad Company playing at the county fair, but het suppose at least they are still doing what they love. Well like they say, I may be old but I got to see all the cool bands. Thanks for the post Maisie : )
The true test of art is time. St. Pepper came out about 50 years ago, but can anyone tell us what the other albums that same year were, without googling, or having a personal favorite.
You cannot force art or taste. It either survives or not, and if the old, white , rockers still put butts in the seats, the social justice morons shouldn't mess with it.
BTW- I hear Keith Richards wont play outdoors anymore. If it rains, he rusts.


Lisztomania 67M
7757 posts
6/19/2017 7:29 pm

Since we here in Chattanooga have a rock festival, the Riverbend Festival) with major stars, I had a look at their headliners for this year. (I should say that Riverbend is basically a nuisance for me -- I have to try to avoid the traffic downtown and make other strategies for parking.)

Of the headliners, here are the ones I recognized:

Boz Scaggs
Don Felder (Eagles)
Ludacris
Toby Keith

There were many other lesser attractions, including the "Flaming Lips," who seemed to be the buzz among younger people. It struck me as a good alternate handle for Leaf.

The commonality of all, including the lesser lights? Male. I didn't even notice. Janis Joplin is dead and she had no successor. I have been on the presenting side of things, and though I dealt primarily with classical, I also booked artists such as Dizzy Gillespie, Wynton Marsalis, and Branton Marsalis. In the classical world there is an abundance of female talent, and I booked it. But the bottom line, so to speak, for the presenter is to put butts in the seats.

And we were a subsidized series. In the real world, you put on acts people will come to or you go broke. Of the headliners here, I would actually have enjoyed Toby Keith, the basso profundo of all vernacular genres. Keith not only has a compelling voice, he writes lyrics people like me can relate to -- "Beer for My Horses," "35MPH Town," "As Good as I Once Was." Keith gets hired because people want to hear him. As President GHW Bush once said "I love country music, because country music loves America
."


Lisztomania 67M
7757 posts
6/19/2017 7:33 pm

Branford Marsalis.


TxJW2 74M
1995 posts
6/19/2017 8:47 pm

Love Hurts Keith Richards.
Party On!


hermitinthecity 63M
1237 posts
6/20/2017 2:34 am

Dominated by white males? Now where have I heard that before?

"Would they be genetically be disposed to being more musical?" That statement would upset a few.

They know what they like and what the public likes then sell it, simple. Your successful when you can sell what your are passionate about.

Judgment Day will be interesting


Maisie2013 65F
14772 posts
6/20/2017 3:55 am

    Quoting hermitinthecity:
    Dominated by white males? Now where have I heard that before?

    "Would they be genetically be disposed to being more musical?" That statement would upset a few.

    They know what they like and what the public likes then sell it, simple. Your successful when you can sell what your are passionate about.
Not that damn hard is it?


MrsJoe 70F
5301 posts
6/20/2017 6:28 am

I know this is about music, but I am just going off on a side road here........comedy. I used to enjoy good stand up comics...... funny, slightly risqué, without being vulgar..... and most of them were men. The women who moved into that venue seemed to be less funny, loud, and vulgar, as if loudness and vulgarity made up for having less talent.
I wonder if some of the outlandish outfits that some singers wear or almost wear is to take attention away from lack of talent too?
People know what they like and what they will spend money to see and hear. Promotors would be stupid to try to sell shows with singers and groups that nobody really wants to see and won't spend the money to attend.


Every day is Easter for me!


Maisie2013 65F
14772 posts
6/20/2017 12:50 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    I know this is about music, but I am just going off on a side road here........comedy. I used to enjoy good stand up comics...... funny, slightly risqué, without being vulgar..... and most of them were men. The women who moved into that venue seemed to be less funny, loud, and vulgar, as if loudness and vulgarity made up for having less talent.
    I wonder if some of the outlandish outfits that some singers wear or almost wear is to take attention away from lack of talent too?
    People know what they like and what they will spend money to see and hear. Promotors would be stupid to try to sell shows with singers and groups that nobody really wants to see and won't spend the money to attend.
I am not a fan of female comedians, in general, with the exception of Kathleen Madigan. She tours with Gary Sinise's bunch that entertains the troops. She has an hysterical routine about trying to talk to the wife of a Taliban about women's rights.