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jiminycricket1 74M
5533 posts
9/28/2021 11:24 am
Military, Biden and Afghanistan


It's amazing watch the hearing on Afghanistan.

First the honesty of the military people..
Second the Republicans asking questions that are entirely designed 2 point the finger at the Biden Administration. 2 not discover the truth but a political value.. Not The truth that needs 2 be determined so mistakes made, can be corrected.

You can agree or disagree.. but 's all pretty simple..

No American in Afghanistan didn't have an opportunity 2 leave.. in fact in mid August they could leave at the expense of the American people..
The idea of taking out Afghan nationals who helped Us.. is very limited.. but expansive in the undertaking, as most Afghans want 2 be evacuated.. are not those that helped US.
In fact the problem and the lack of success of the mission can be directly a result of those who allegedly helped US. They helped for their reason, that has nothing do with HELPING US.. And more important they never understood that helping us was not their job.. but the avenue to be able to help themselves. Corruption, lack of integrity, honesty, and ideological disagreement..
Those that were not like that ....after all that happened, still believed the could effect change, and had no desire to leave.. Those are the Afghan people that actually helped US

So I feel no responsibility for all Americans of most Afghans... They had choices..
Other may feel responsible for them..

It regards 2 the military.. The military doesn't understand the political implications for what they believe they CAN DO.. They pretty much think they can do Anything .. so for them everything is on the table.

What history tells us.. is we are militarily superior.. But almost all our military actions are reactionary.. From 9-11 2 the suicide bomber in Kabul... We NEVER lose militarily

Biden decision was get out of Afghanistan... period! The idea of how 2 do that, was not about military or civilian goals.. it was about the future.. getting out and staying out..

All the advising done by politicians and the military.. were dismissed by Biden.. if those actions could possible continue our involvement in Afghanistan.. Nothing had a greater potential 2 keep US in the war.. Than American boots on the ground.. that were under fire and killed.. That singular would make our reaction 2 leave Afghanistan nearly impossible.. Of Course, the military doesn't see it that way.. That's their job. The retaliation would be severe. but still, US lives, as with the suicide bomber, would have been lost.. That singular event brought Us the closest we were staying ... and with More troops and retaliation would mean future troop deployments could be lost..
The idea of the US being FORCED out of Afghanistan.. BY force.. was an impossibility'

Biden sole purpose was assure that would not happen.. He succeeded

Biden made choices.. that had the minimum possibility of Us staying . no so much protect the lives of those at the time, but 2 protect them as best he could.. but protect the future lives, by any actions which would surely continue the war.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/28/2021 11:39 am

That's it... you can agree with the decisions, or disagree.
You can think Biden made the wrong choices.

But understand what he was doing.. Understand the purpose of his mistake..

On That basis make your decision about the priorities...Getting out of Afghanistan, stopping Terrorists, Stopping the Taliban, Saving American Lives, creating a democratic Afghan state.. Or using Afghanistan to promote your own political agenda.
For me Biden Choice was clear.. GET OUT.. second wasn't even close

I suggested thinking about how this would have gone if Trump was president
It hard for me to imagine how bad.. the bad things you Think about Biden would have come about.. 124,000 people evacuate.. I doubt if Trump was in charge 124 people would have been evacuated..... Thirteen American Troop were lost .. I can't imagine how many troops would have been lost if Trump were President..
I even doubt that the sincerely that Biden has shown.... would be the same with Trump, as to getting Us out of Afghanistan.


dusty17 73M
492 posts
9/28/2021 1:23 pm

Sean (Tokyo Rose) Hannity cries every day about Americans left behind enemy lines. I've been waiting someone to talk about who these Americans are ... what they do for a living ... why they didn't get the hell out a year ago.

Kudos to Joe Biden ... it needed to be done, not talked about.

As for Trump ... he's not even in the picture. Trump's a coward, he scheduled the troop withdrawal for a date when he wouldn't be in office ... as if Impeached Presidents get elected President.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/28/2021 2:51 pm

    Quoting dusty17:
    Sean (Tokyo Rose) Hannity cries every day about Americans left behind enemy lines. I've been waiting someone to talk about who these Americans are ... what they do for a living ... why they didn't get the hell out a year ago.

    Kudos to Joe Biden ... it needed to be done, not talked about.

    As for Trump ... he's not even in the picture. Trump's a coward, he scheduled the troop withdrawal for a date when he wouldn't be in office ... as if Impeached Presidents get elected President.
At the hearing they kept bringing it up..

Like abortion.. they say they care about it.. but they really don't
No American that Chose to stay. Yes CHOOSE to stay. would be considered important to the Republican party. or even for that matter an American

No civilian evacuation, or those left there are important to the Republican party .

Those guys are just political LIARS..They have no business being our representatives.

I'm sure on Trump's list of acceptable immigrants the Afghans were just as important as Scandinavian scientists.. or Eastern European models.
WE certainly must question Trump's ideas of what is a "shithole country"..
Me, when i looked up the definition.....There was just a picture of Afghanistan


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
9/29/2021 12:49 am

you're right on......I don't understand why so many fall for the Repub BS.......How stupid do you have to be to fall for this crap......like some 14 year old girl in Texas gets r*ped by a family member and they think the best solution to that is to form a "r*pe task- force"........Their imaginations are not hooked up to their empathy.....compassion is empathy hooked up to the brain......These people are unhooked from humanity and reason.......


LeafLeap 73M
444 posts
9/29/2021 3:40 am

I was glad Milley took the time to set the record straight on those phone calls in the opening statement. The vast majority of the nation knew it was something like that but it was important to defang the right wing media to some extent with the truth. I understand completely what happened in Afghanistan and I grasp the arguments of all sides. In fact, I flipped flopped on the issue, first preferring to stay in the country with a reasonable force to keep the pressure on terrorists, and then Biden convinced me that with an Afghan force of over 300,000 that would be enough to marginalize the Taliban. The issue I missed was just how critical the support force was, and that the Afghans had already lost upwards of 60,000 men. What this hearing exposed for the first time was that during the Trump administration they pulled out critical analysts that could have provided the intelligence needed to assess the commitment of Afghan troops, and that this was done 3 years ago. Whose idea was that, our own military, the Afghans, or Trump's? Someone needs to get to the bottom of that question, which in my mind the THE revelation of the hearing.

Did Biden lie that nobody told him to keep a residual force there? It looks like it but I think it might be a murky situation, because that would require simply pulling out of the agreement Trump negotiated. I'm not sure any of those leaders expressly advised formally pulling out of the agreement, and that would of course change all calculations. Not sure what the truth is, which certainly warrants the context behind it.

What was crystal to me was the stark difference intellectually between the democratic caucus and the republican caucus. The GOP just does not have capable representation on that committee. It was shocking frankly. This guy Hawley is a really dangerous guy. I expect buffoonery from Cotton and Marsha Blackburn is an idiot.


LeafLeap 73M
444 posts
9/29/2021 3:40 am

Senator Ernst btw is a disgraceful liar.


LeafLeap 73M
444 posts
9/29/2021 3:45 am

As far as Americans still in Afghanistan I agree, they had ample opportunity to try and get out. The pace of the withdrawal was impressive in my view in light of the challenge. On balance however, I think Americans will grow to be glad we are out of Afghanistan and there won't be much call to restart that war, even from the right who seem to be arguing to do exactly that. I'd like to see them step up to the microphone and expressly call for redeployment now. You won't hear a peep.


LeafLeap 73M
444 posts
9/29/2021 4:01 am

Today's hearing before the House will be a spectacle of circus freaks.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/29/2021 11:29 am

How do we know when this country is really in trouble..

When defeating Democrats becomes more import than defeating terrorists

The death count is more than 700,000. that we know of...It's funny how people don't realize we are getting 9-11'd.. in 2021
Twin Pillars (the entrance of sacred and mysterious places guarded by two pillars).
Whether it be the Twin pillars or the Twin Towers.. who the hell knows the difference?


Koffla 68M
12255 posts
9/29/2021 5:00 pm



Every two days, COVID is exacting the same death toll of 9-11.



LeafLeap 73M
444 posts
9/30/2021 3:23 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    How do we know when this country is really in trouble..

    When defeating Democrats becomes more import than defeating terrorists

    The death count is more than 700,000. that we know of...It's funny how people don't realize we are getting 9-11'd.. in 2021
    Twin Pillars (the entrance of sacred and mysterious places guarded by two pillars).
    Whether it be the Twin pillars or the Twin Towers.. who the hell knows the difference?
I know Cricket...this thing about defeating democrats more than terrorists is a hell of reality. People can conclude what they wish...but in my view the GOP is already at war here and they mean it. it's not brinkmanship anymore...this is a full blown attack from within to topple democracy because they have concluded they will never again win the presidency...voter suppression just isn't enough. They will pick every wound they can find until we bleed disaster after disaster. We are going to pay one hell of a price unless the American people come to their senses and stop it. I don't think people appreciate the gravity of it.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/30/2021 10:59 am

    Quoting LeafLeap:
    I know Cricket...this thing about defeating democrats more than terrorists is a hell of reality. People can conclude what they wish...but in my view the GOP is already at war here and they mean it. it's not brinkmanship anymore...this is a full blown attack from within to topple democracy because they have concluded they will never again win the presidency...voter suppression just isn't enough. They will pick every wound they can find until we bleed disaster after disaster. We are going to pay one hell of a price unless the American people come to their senses and stop it. I don't think people appreciate the gravity of it.
It's pretty difficult to define the enemy of Democracy..When Democracy CAN be it's own enemy.
you get fixated on these THINGS.. When an idea is not a thing

If you feel Democrats define democracy.. then you're right..
But Democrats do not define democracy to me..

A better idea.. doesn't define a better THING

The battle being fought.. if to the death....destroys democracy no matter who wins.


TxJW013 81M

9/30/2021 3:34 pm

Most everything the repubs are doing is to make it acceptable to the public for future election protests ---which can allow for delay in taking office or martial law setup to support bogus claims-----which will allow them to stall or maintain control in the future.

The people are moving toward taking care of the population rather than the elite.
The repubs are aware & setting the groundwork for future takeover of the government because they will never win an election when all the people get on the same page & vote for what is best for them and the country.

If the people do not stop the deep division this country will not survive as we know it.

The repub attempted overthrow has and is being taken lightly------This tells the repubs they can do anything in the future with little or even NO resistence.

There should be a purge of those in congress who support the march on congress & the capital to negate the election.
It is not happening so there is absolutely no reason not to expect even more of the same.
We are not sinking-------we have reached bottom.