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jiminycricket1 74M
5533 posts
12/10/2016 9:04 pm
Wrong Answers


As I see it, our current conservatism is on the verge of destroying itself.
I regret that very much.

Conservatism has too many good ideas, to be labeled that way and destroyed.

I have always idealistically seen this country as a working relationship between Liberal and Conservative thought. Taking the best of each

I have idealistically seen this country's voters being able to make a choice between two right answers.

Things have changed and one ideology must be destroyed. We can no longer afford to have election with two wrong answers.

With Donald Trump at the helm this may be the last wrong answer that Conservatism will be able to give. Before they will have no ability to answers at all.

I laugh when the media and the Right, talk about the problems the Democrats are having. When in actually the talk of their PROBLEM went out the window with Obama and the Senate. It's now Trump's problem and the Congress problem.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/10/2016 9:13 pm

2018 and then in 2020.. will tell the story. Trump, and Congress MAY be able to hide it for two years but not four years.

As you folks see it happening and make the excuse that is was an uncontrollable economy, started by Obama. Think of today, and what you expect then understand the bullshit excuse you try to make.

I can wait until then, to see if I'm right.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/11/2016 11:52 am

    Quoting  :

what you say is accurate, but the meaning you interpret is different than mine.

You have a real problem with labeling. labeling words to ideas, leaving no room for anything else.

Liberal, Democrat, Conservative, Republican. along with all their action you see as a single ideas. I do not dispute your ideas, except they are just too narrow. The meaning you interpret is not all there is.

First, you see the elections of 2010, 2014, 2016 as ideological mandates.
I see that specific ideology has very little to do with it.

First I see negativism, in the years you mentioned, inflated negativism towards the ideology in power.

Second I see the economy, again negatively inflated towards the ideology in power.

Third i see fear, fear of the future, fear of the present. fear of the outside world, most important, is I see the fear of a small earthquake turning into a larger one. This fear has been nurtured by the ones NOT in power.

I do not see Trump Voters as a mandate for Conservatism.

Now so we can disagree, I don't believe the Democrats will need to do what you folks have done in regards to negativism, as a plan and design to win elections.
Your ideology and attitude will generate it's own negativism, without inflation

The electorate, has been brainwashed to see the positive that OTHER recieve to be a negative to them. That can be overcome when the negative they see is directly about them

For example, seniors can be against Obamacare, welfare, gay rights, equal pay, and over taxation of the wealthy. Senior see issues where other folks besides them are helped, It's easy to convince them when others are helped that they have been hurt.

Those ideas would go out the window, if social security and medicare are messed with.

The Democrats aren't under the gun any longer, they are not the ones perceived as making the decision anymore. it will be interesting to see how they actually do react to being in that position.

Because of they way you erroneously look at things and label things. I will get a kick out of seeing over the next four how everybody just turns into Liberals, It will be like Zombie mania ! LOL

By the way, I'm in no rush, I can wait four years
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jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/11/2016 2:51 pm

Because of they way you erroneously look at things and label things. I will get a kick out of seeing over the next four how everybody just turns into Liberals, It will be like Zombie mania ! LOL

Maisie

I tried to make this a joke about you.

None of "your folk" are going to get it:

I certainly do not believe people are going to turned into Liberal.
I believe based on your current criteria. it could appear that way

To me, it doesn't matter. I don't believe in what YOU call a Liberal or define as Liberal, actually exists, anyway. You just built a "Mr PotatoHead" and all I see is a "potato head".


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/12/2016 8:25 am

    Quoting LeafSweeper:
    By MILLIONS of people who actually voted conservatives were crushed in this election.... you and your philosophy were rejected...again.
The disenchantment. maisie, will never understand it.

As ones chooses their road
And find it, not to go in the right direction
Goes back to choose a different road
There is no guarantee about the road they will choose.
but, disenchantment with the one they first took.

As maisie continues to refer to the 73%, that are unhappy with government.
She fails to see, those who took her wrong road, first.

As she tries to say, the disenchantment was with the Liberal side.
I say the disenchantment was with those they had once voted for.
Conservatives, by this election, admitted they first took the wrong road.
they are choosing another, an still there is no guarantee.

Although, it's only MY opinion, I can pretty well guarantee they will be disenchanted again. For it will always be the wrong road, when the destination is wrong.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/12/2016 8:41 am

As Republicans find a road together and manage to get by the road blocks , and begin to arrive at a destination. the road will splinter.

As one man's destination, becomes another man's wrong road.

We can easily see here, that Republican read the same book.
What's harder to see, is they are all on a different page.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/12/2016 9:18 am

It's my opinion when Liberals blame Bush, by the objectiveness of what he did. They were neither right or wrong, but I now see the big picture.

How with Bush all this came to be.

Objectiveness is what we do. Not just Bush, but every single President.

Conservative, couldn't handle the objectiveness of bush, until they turn it into something subjective.

They saw Liberals using objectiveness, to infer subjectiveness. they disagreed with that. Even though they were using subjectiveness themselves.

They saw what they didn't like about that, how Bush was used to labeled them, but instead of fighting it, there was too much advantage to be gain by using it. Where once objectiveness, inferred subjectiveness. In their minds they now are one in the same.

so you see, I think this all started with Bush, but not the same way most Liberals think about it.