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I am not irrelevant! "Beyond that take your philosiphical bullshit that two disparate camps exist apart from the middle ground you believe exists apart from the two camps." This was statement made to me by Adolpho. I'll translate to try and make it clear. This country is totally divided by the right of left. There is no middle ground The one must either be liberal or conservative. Anyone who can't choose sides or won't choose sides is blind. Those who do not choose side are not a relevant group of people. I'm toning that down... what he says was that group doesn't exist. Since I exist, I choose to change it to irrelevant. What it mean to me. is that we cannot decide that some parts of liberalism we agree with and some parts of conservatism we agree with. To be relevant we must agree with all or none. This my friends is a communist statement. As some on the right would choose to destroy liberalism to further move to the right. A communist would choose to destroy the right to move towards communism. The difference is that the right is bound by our way of life, they do not wish to destroy their view of the way of life we have, They just want to run it. I fight them about that. Well let me say Aldopho, doesn't want the current liberalism we have, He doesn't just want to help poor people, or provides services and money. He wants the governments to not make that choice but make it mandated. He wants the poor to take whatever they need. He wants the rich to no longer be rich, he wants the rich to no longer exist....he want to change our way of life. My question is the above statement true, are those who are not labeled liberals or conservatives..irrelevant. To be relevant does one have to accept an ideology in it's entirety. |
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he's a communist...he's admitted he's a communist.! To be accurate he said he's not the old kind of communist we think of HE'S A NEW KIND OF COMMUNIST!
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BOB, you have to see the irony. On a straight written statement of politics. I would side more often with Adolpho than with many from the right' My conclusion about Adolpho aren't about those subjects There are people on the right, who's strong beliefs, change their perspective on things. Whatever they say, it only meaning is to their belief and particular agenda. It has no other meaning to them. I see it, I don't take offense, I just point it out. Adopho does the exact same thing, but his belief is far more against what I believe. Even though I would agree on the subject. I can't agree with his use of it. In the past when I point it out to him, he gets angry and accuses me of stuff. This is on stuff we agree, my God, how can that be. It can be that way because what I say ruins his plans. He really doesn't care about what he says. he only care about his belief and his agenda and fulfilling those by any means necessary. Nothing he says is about being liberal, everything he says is communist. And those Yahoo's on your side that can't see the difference... I got a problem with.
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Here's the deal Primary focus of my dealing with Aldopho have been in regards to racism I couldn't quite put a handle on it. He would go a little too far beyond a normal liberal approach. So I challenge him on it, he replied. look in the mirror.. you're a racist too. Dare to disagree, don't think so. My point is not really about that....that is the symptom, not the disease. My conclusion is about that and about other things is that Adolpho is not as concerned about solving the problem as he is identifying it. But why... Because he doesn't really care about the problem/ But why.. Because he's a communist. Divide and conquer, make people realize there is no solution that the current government can obtain. To solve the problem we need, a new type of government. We need a non-racist political system. That's his agenda
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It goes way beyond that... hell, I'm disrespected everyday here by someone. I could care less. This is different, this is elgible. This is hiding, this is playing games I talk to maisie about integrity, this isn't even in the same ballpark No matter how others read what I said here. Adolpho with integrity could defend it. He knows most of it is true. He know most of it could be defended. But also the prejudices here are too great, the prejudice even of word communist is too great for him to overcome..So he hides. he will continue to hide and stick to his plan...he's not ready to come out yet, but someday he expects to My prejudice to word communism is far less than most the people here. I could understand it if someone was upfront with it. But not like this, not this way, not this method.
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Jiminy I am not a communist. I have never admitted that I am a communist. I take your incorrect attribution very seriously. If you have half a brain you will stop this inanity or I will take the next logical step. For the record I have a record or all of your rants. I accuse you of being a communist and this is your reply Tell me what it mean "You are probably stretching thing to spell communist"......um okay I'm stupid can't spell and stretch the meaning of things " I doubt that you have any idea of the definition of the word". ///okay I don't what it means "Your use of the word is interesting because the only people that use the word today have chosen to live their lives seven decades in the past"..... no that's not my use of word that's your interpretation of the word. tell me what you wrote, tell me it's not what a communist would say
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"For the record I have a record or all of your rants." Go for it! Like I care.....tell me threats aren't communist either
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Jiminy I am not a communist. I have never admitted that I am a communist. I take your incorrect attribution very seriously. If you have half a brain you will stop this inanity or I will take the next logical step. For the record I have a record or all of your rants. let's see what your answer is to the blog. no one really cares if you admit to who you are....hell you could be mitee, or elgible for all we know and don't care.
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10/25/2015 7:07 am |
Canadians just demonstrated what they think of right wing policies by voting. The Conservative party out of office. Perhaps our attitude with migrate south.
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Maisie, you don't want to go hanging out your shingle advertising your legal expertise because you don't know the first thing about assignment of damages. Beyond that your attempt to insert yourself into this discussion speaks to your need for attention. Sad, you are horribly and terribly sad. Beyond that you are apparently once again ignorant of the facts. For the record, I did not call Jiminy any names. That was in his realm of how to handle things. He is just pissed off because he was called on his crap. Like, speak of this blog topic, say something about it. nothing you said is about the blog it's all about you and me..You wrote the words, what did you mean? I ask you about reducing the national debt....You still haven't given me an answer...your answer to me was think about it....WTF You do not engage in conversation, just state your case and walk away. Whenever you get challenged you call people names. You use cut and paste. to try and show how bad America is. Not how bad conservatives are, but how bad all America is. Before we get into the purpose on these point...I like to know your answers to my questions. Do you have any?
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You are the only one here that has anwered my blog. The rest have talked about Adolpho, what they think of him...I could care less The only thing I care about Adolpho is that he does not represent the liberal point of view in this country. That I know. I accept the few here who can't separate the subject from the philosophy. They fail to see their agreement on the subject, is being used to make an agreement on the philosophy. Those of us who understand the middle ground is the only viable ground..are relevant.
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You are quite apparently upset because I have confronted you with your fringe philosophical positions" adolpho. How can you folks, not see what this statement means My philosophy of middle ground is fringe politics? My God, wake up folks. The Right doesn't do this, Their purpose is to control the middle ground. The communist purpose is to make the middle ground fringe politics, and part of the problem Try and see it this way. The Right should understand because it's what some of them do From the view of the far, far left. all others are wrong. Certainly the defender of capitalism, the rich etc etc are wrong. liberals that believe in capitalism are not as wrong, but still wrong. Liberals that are correct are only those on the far, far left. all other liberal need re-education. What about those that are neither liberal or conservative? To far, far left they are exactly the same as anybody they would choose to disagree with they are still capitalists. So much so, that in the mind of the communist they don't exist. the moderate liberal the moderate conservative and the conservative are all the problem. They are one and the same.
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I say don't be so derisive, stand as one, work our solutions, liberals and conservative have much more in common, than they do separation. That's my philosophy, OMG God that's a fringe philosophy. I'm stupid to think that, That can't work To who's benefit is to say such a thing? Wake up folks, your destructive nature of politics open the door to the real fringe element.
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"To begin, you indicated that you thought that the only segment of our population that had is relevant, any true relevance was the middle" You say you have all my rants, please show me where I said this. I do not believe that to be true. I believe the middle is relevant, I believe the middle is the solution. You, however, you have said the middle doesn't exist. Aren't those your worsd and the topic of this blog? I don't care who you are, what your political position is...but anybody with half a brain could read what you say and know what you mean. Everything you have said says nothing, but the fact you are a communist's. It's blatant.. Don't tell me you are not a communist, say something that isn't communist!. tell me something, other than the fact you're an American, that says you're not a communist. tell me a philosophy you have that is not communist. Say something, anything, just tell the truth.
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Folks it simple, so simple The middle is never the solution when both ends are wrong I not only choose to see the mistakes of left and right, but also the correctness of the left and right. That's my philosophy. Only someone who believes neither is correct, can believe what Adolpho believes.
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Jiminy, I would like for you to reread this comment. Do you not see where you are conflicted in what you are saying? stop doing this...answer the question? So I can respond You keep doing it and doing it... I'm suppose to be so smart, I should be able to figure it out. Your so smart you know you can't tell me I give you the opportunity to explain and you never do. Any attempt only takes you deeper and deeper.
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Jiminy, read your own words. My only I wish is that others here would understand what I say. not what they think I say, but what I really mean. The truth, is that the only one here, who knows what I mean is Adolpho. The truth is Adolpho doesn't want anyone here to know what I mean. He tries to distract you, that what he does. His response to me, aren't to me, they are to the rest of you. It amazes me how you folks don't get it.
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Lizst, Most of us here, can't see there needs to be line drawn. Not only in insults, but also in philosophies. I drew my line with Adolpho, this in no way changes my position to the Right. I can deal with my disagreement with the right, I can deal with my disagreement with the left. I just drew a line with my disagreements with Adolpho. His insults don't bother me, his positions on subjects don't bother me. What bothers me is that his insulst bother others, his positions bother others. I'm way beyond that. I'm trying to get people to see the real problem..It's not the insults or the positions, it's what he's trying to do that's the problem. I'm trying to get us to work together..He doesn't want that.
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10/25/2015 10:52 am |
I identify myself as a liberalservative republicrat. I think the old "silent majority" are in the same category. Middle is a good place to be but what I have learned is that the only thing we have to avoid is entering into discussions with any and all strongly opinionated people no matter what side or position they take. That is way we are the "silent majority". When the time and opportunity are appropriate we act which often leaves people surprised and confused . Until then we don't enter into no win situations. When I was married to someone who argued for sport I learned an important life lesson. There can be no argument without response. It's difficult but effective and leaves our emotional energy intact for the more important things in life. For me it took 5 years of being made to feel the way argument leaves one feeling and a silly old coon hound to learn this. Spiritwoman ^i^
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Jiminy, This is what you said "Those of us who understand the middle ground is the only viable ground..are relevant." I never said that the middle does not exist. I did instead state quite clearly that it was highly improbable to separate them as you indicated they should be. Jiminy, keep it up...I only wish that I were back in the states. Perhaps I will need to invest in a transatlantic phone call. Okay Adolpho...this is the discussion I want to have. The middle ground is relevant and is the only viable solution. That's what I meant.. That's what I said You changed it. So if I have interpreted something wrong you have said.. please tell me what you meant. That's all I ask. Tell me what you mean
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I never said that the middle does not exist. I did instead state quite clearly that it was highly improbable to separate them as you indicated they should be. adolpho okay you can try an explain what you mean, I would like that, but without explanation I can only interpret what I think you mean. Okay separate the middle from what... what are we separating from? We are part of both. The solution is found in the moderate conservatives and the moderate liberals..That's our opinion of the solution obviously that doesn't work for you... WHY?
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Adopho, What you fail to realize is you're not dealing with someone who has a prejudicial position. you're dealing with someone who deals with both sides equally. you can't bully me, to show my prejudice against liberal or conservative You're trying to BULL me, only makes me prejudice to your position which I see as neither liberal or conservative.
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It would appear that you desire a homogenized society where there are no extreme political positions. Unfortunately that has never existed in a free society and you desire to have that as an ideal smacks eerily of the only political system where that exists. That system exists in communistic societies. So, it would appear to me that you desire the very thing that you accuse me of being. Adolpho Wow! this is the way you operate. I must be communist, that's your conclusion? What I am against, I must be Did the same thing about racism. Nobody, here is that stupid. You want communism to sound good, to make it palatable, to make people see it differently. That's what you do, you do it all the time.
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Jiminy, your thoughts as you express them would make a sane person crazy. I refuse to engage you until you consistently state the same thing., Up to this point your comments have been so convoluted that I refuse to engage you. If you don't understand the question ask me to explain. but what you shows me is you understand. You just don't want to answer the question.
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You are mentally unbalanced if you believe half of what you have said about me. For the record Jiminy, define communism and then explain what I have said that places me into that category. I want you to state exactly what I said that leads you to make such a libelous statement. A communist is person who believes a form of government that treats everybody as citizens, government controls the wealth and decisions of the country. That wealth is not personal, but social and governmental. That people, as citizens and as a group are incapable of making government decisions. People need to subscribe to the system, and let the system work. Independent thought is not acceptable. The good of the many, outweighs the good of the few. Government decides who are the many, and who are the few. I tried to answer your question as well as I could. I believe most of it you would agree to. That's why I call you a communist....it is not a derogatory comment. It's a statement. If you don't believe its true say why. say what your position is, say how the problems of this country can be solved.....Say something!
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Jiminy, what part of my comment where I said I refuse to engage you until you state the same thing consistently do you not understand? I refuse to discuss your positions or answer any more of your questions because you won't accept the answers I give you" adolpho First of all, you don't give answers. you make statements, that you believe in a round about way answers the question. It doesn't. You do not want to commit to an answer. I understand that's what you do I have proposed many questions to you. none of which, I have receive a direct answer. Does the middle ground exist..is it relevant? What's your solution to any problems you see? A. racism B. national debt C. minimum wage D. the political system Can the problems of this country be solved by the coming together of both the right and left.? Does either the right of left have to be defeated before any solution can be found? Are the problems of this country a subject to be dealt with, or a symptom of the US Has the US done more harm than good in the world. I have attempted to give my opinion of your answer on all these subjects. But that my opinions. you could have easily change my opinion by giving your answer. It is your refusal to give an answer to my questions, that makes my opinion right. If my opinion is wrong you should easily be able to answer my question and not beat around the bush. The only answer you have given, in this entire blog, is that you are not a communist. I could care less if you're a communist or not. It's not about what you say you are, it's about what you are. It just like you feel about all those conservatives, and others, who say they are not a racist.....It doesn't matter to you what they say they are, their actions speak louder.
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