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starwomyn 70F
5258 posts
1/12/2022 8:34 am

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Trolls, Spammers, Jailbirds & CRYSTALS!!!

If a blogger has a different political, religious, philosophical prospective or lifestyle than mine, that's cool. We are not a cookie cutter world. Bloggers have the right to express those views.

Trolls who engage in personal attacks and spammers who are downright disrespectful often end up getting booted out by the SFF Police. They come back with alternative profiles and it's business as usual.

There are some blogs that I usually don't bother to read. One blogger writes in loops and swirls with no respect for any prospective other than his own. The other one has wordy equivocation articulation usually C&P that make no sense at all but also no prospective other than his own. Hate Trump or Hate God Blogs also have a place in my iggie box. They have a right to write these ridiculous blogs and I have a right to scroll pass them.

There are some who enjoy stick measuring exchanges - Que Sera Sera!!!

Three of the trolls went on winter vacation for the holidays with the announcement - They ARE Back!!!! Happy Happy Joy Joy!!!!

My theory is that one of them is blogging while in a manic state while the other one is drunk blogging. I don't really know what is happening on the other side of the screen but that is my theory.

CPIII has morphed into CPIX. She claims that she deleted her profile, went on vacation, and recreated another profile. My inclination is to believe that she got a well deserved boot into SFF Jail. Bravo!!!! My Higher Self knows "not to feed the bullies and trolls. Toss them in the iggie box." My Shadow Self wants to push back.

My blog is "un·a·pol·o·get·ically STAR!!!" This means that I don't have to explain, justify, or apologize for my Religious & Spiritual beliefs, my political inclination, my science, my idiocrasies. AD INFINITUM!!!!!

If a SFF Bully, Troll, Retread Jailbird wants to use those reasons to attacks...........

My Higher Self and Shadow Self are going to have debate. As you like it or NOT!!!



Abracadabra


MrsJoe 76F
17388 posts
1/12/2022 9:51 am

I think we all have a higher self and a shadow self, and usually function somewhere in between. Destiny and I used to discuss this..... when I give into my shadow self and write or do something I know I shouldn't, at least I do feel bad about it. I find myself holding my tongue,,,, or fingers,,,,, more often in face book than in here.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
1/12/2022 11:49 am

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    I think we all have a higher self and a shadow self, and usually function somewhere in between. Destiny and I used to discuss this..... when I give into my shadow self and write or do something I know I shouldn't, at least I do feel bad about it. I find myself holding my tongue,,,, or fingers,,,,, more often in face book than in here.

You speak of your "higher self" and "shadow self" as distinct aspects of your psyche.....do you subscribe to Jung's entire philosophy of Archetypes or just these two?


dusty17 73M
489 posts
1/12/2022 3:16 pm

It doesn't make sense to me to post controversy or support a controversial blog and then complain about attacks and victimization .......


MrsJoe 76F
17388 posts
1/12/2022 3:55 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    You speak of your "higher self" and "shadow self" as distinct aspects of your psyche.....do you subscribe to Jung's entire philosophy of Archetypes or just these two?
Neither. I know little about Jung or his philosophy.
I used the term "higher self" because that is the term that Star had used..... for myself, it means that I try to live up to the teachings of Jesus and do and say things that I believe are pleasing to my God. But I also recognize there are times I fail badly, and can act in a totally nasty way.... hence, my shadow side because I don't like to have it come out for everyone to see. Thankfully, the older I get the less likely I am to behave badly, and have learned to pass on by situations that would have triggered my ire in the past.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
1/12/2022 4:52 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    Neither. I know little about Jung or his philosophy.
    I used the term "higher self" because that is the term that Star had used..... for myself, it means that I try to live up to the teachings of Jesus and do and say things that I believe are pleasing to my God. But I also recognize there are times I fail badly, and can act in a totally nasty way.... hence, my shadow side because I don't like to have it come out for everyone to see. Thankfully, the older I get the less likely I am to behave badly, and have learned to pass on by situations that would have triggered my ire in the past.
Well, those terms, Higher self and Shadow self are terms that Carl Jung came up with as two of his Archetypes....You have obviously adapted the terms to your personal philosophy, though you and Star and Destiny apparently shared definitions of those terms among yourselves.......It's kind of confusing when people use such well known terminology to refer to something else....especially in a public venue.


starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
1/12/2022 5:09 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    I think we all have a higher self and a shadow self, and usually function somewhere in between. Destiny and I used to discuss this..... when I give into my shadow self and write or do something I know I shouldn't, at least I do feel bad about it. I find myself holding my tongue,,,, or fingers,,,,, more often in face book than in here.

There are many times when I have written something and quickly deleted it or revised it. I try to discuss politics/astrology/ spirituality, and the 12 Step lifestyle in the groups designed for that purpose in FB. This keeps me out of trouble most of the time.

Abracadabra


MrsJoe 76F
17388 posts
1/12/2022 7:25 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Well, those terms, Higher self and Shadow self are terms that Carl Jung came up with as two of his Archetypes....You have obviously adapted the terms to your personal philosophy, though you and Star and Destiny apparently shared definitions of those terms among yourselves.......It's kind of confusing when people use such well known terminology to refer to something else....especially in a public venue.
I was unfamiliar with Jung's use of those words. As I said, Destiny and I just lightly discussed our Shadow sides, but she may have been familiar with Jung's philosophy because she read a lot of different things.
BTW, did you know she was also an author? I have her trilogy of books on my shelf, all personally signed by her. The last one is hardly legible because of her deteriorating physical condition.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
1/12/2022 9:52 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    I was unfamiliar with Jung's use of those words. As I said, Destiny and I just lightly discussed our Shadow sides, but she may have been familiar with Jung's philosophy because she read a lot of different things.
    BTW, did you know she was also an author? I have her trilogy of books on my shelf, all personally signed by her. The last one is hardly legible because of her deteriorating physical condition.

I did know she was an author......LOL....We did NOT like each other.......One time I misspelled her name...."Density"...It was a typo, but she insisted that I spelled it like that on purpose to aggravate her....


starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
1/12/2022 11:12 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Well, those terms, Higher self and Shadow self are terms that Carl Jung came up with as two of his Archetypes....You have obviously adapted the terms to your personal philosophy, though you and Star and Destiny apparently shared definitions of those terms among yourselves.......It's kind of confusing when people use such well known terminology to refer to something else....especially in a public venue.
Higher Self and Shadow Self are terms that I've heard within my circle of friends. I don't suspect that my old sweat lodging buddies were followers of Jung. How often do folks use terms and phrases without really knowing the origin of where that phase came from? I often quote Shakespeare and find out later that the phrase that I am using is from one of Shakespeare's plays.

Abracadabra


MrsJoe 76F
17388 posts
1/13/2022 12:18 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    I did know she was an author......LOL....We did NOT like each other.......One time I misspelled her name...."Density"...It was a typo, but she insisted that I spelled it like that on purpose to aggravate her....
That made me smile. Sometimes, we have friends who do not like each other, and that was also the case of Belle and Destiny. They absolutely could not stand each other, but each was my friend. The solution was that I just never discussed either of them with the other. It worked for all of us.

Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
1/13/2022 11:15 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    Higher Self and Shadow Self are terms that I've heard within my circle of friends. I don't suspect that my old sweat lodging buddies were followers of Jung. How often do folks use terms and phrases without really knowing the origin of where that phase came from? I often quote Shakespeare and find out later that the phrase that I am using is from one of Shakespeare's plays.
Yup.....The New Age folks took up every bit of spiritual nomenclature from disparate sources, juggled them around and used them higgelty-piggelty........Sweat lodging was very popular with the friends of Bill......Magpie Spirituality........


starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
1/13/2022 1:58 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Yup.....The New Age folks took up every bit of spiritual nomenclature from disparate sources, juggled them around and used them higgelty-piggelty........Sweat lodging was very popular with the friends of Bill......Magpie Spirituality........
Actually, very few of my 12 Step friends have been sweat lodging. I connected with a Native American commune through someone I met from my work. A few of my 12 Step Friends backed away when they found out that some of the people in the community participate in Peyote Ceremonies.

Since I have Native American ancestry, I was exploring that part of my heritage at the time.

When I lived in Ojai, California, there were quite a few folks who were into metaphysics. These practices are not necessarily new. I have a great grandmother from Ireland and another one from England who could confirm that if they were still on this side.


Abracadabra


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
1/13/2022 3:02 pm

    Quoting starwomyn:
    Actually, very few of my 12 Step friends have been sweat lodging. I connected with a Native American commune through someone I met from my work. A few of my 12 Step Friends backed away when they found out that some of the people in the community participate in Peyote Ceremonies.

    Since I have Native American ancestry, I was exploring that part of my heritage at the time.

    When I lived in Ojai, California, there were quite a few folks who were into metaphysics. These practices are not necessarily new. I have a great grandmother from Ireland and another one from England who could confirm that if they were still on this side.
I didn't say those spiritual practices were "new", I said that the "New Age" movement borrowed spiritual ideas and practices from many disparate sources and juggled them around.....I know many AA people that were into sweat lodging ......I helped out some AA friends by being the fire-keeper for their sweat-lodge ceremonies, so they could all attend....I usually BBQd some Salmon, spuds and sometimes corn on the outside fire at the same time as I heated the stones and replaced them in the lodge...There was always eating after the sweat......I tried staying for some of the ceremony, but the prayers were interminable.....


starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
1/13/2022 4:30 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    I didn't say those spiritual practices were "new", I said that the "New Age" movement borrowed spiritual ideas and practices from many disparate sources and juggled them around.....I know many AA people that were into sweat lodging ......I helped out some AA friends by being the fire-keeper for their sweat-lodge ceremonies, so they could all attend....I usually BBQd some Salmon, spuds and sometimes corn on the outside fire at the same time as I heated the stones and replaced them in the lodge...There was always eating after the sweat......I tried staying for some of the ceremony, but the prayers were interminable.....
The Sweat Lodge that I attended was ran by a Native American commune. My husband was a wounded Catholic and despised all forms of spirituality. When I started exploring more pagan paths, he immediately became interested. I actually joined a WV State recognized Native American Tribe and my Irish husband loved it. He used to joke about having feathers on his kilt although it was the Scotts who wore kilts. When I participated in Sweat Lodge ceremonies, My husband would assist the Fire Keeper. There was no way he was climbing into that hot place.

Abracadabra


starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
1/13/2022 4:49 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    That made me smile. Sometimes, we have friends who do not like each other, and that was also the case of Belle and Destiny. They absolutely could not stand each other, but each was my friend. The solution was that I just never discussed either of them with the other. It worked for all of us.
Destiny and I were good friends since we both had an interest in Astrology. Belle didn't like me at all. We have since mended fences but I don't think we'll ever be handholding buddies.

Abracadabra


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
1/13/2022 8:49 pm

    Quoting starwomyn:
    Higher Self and Shadow Self are terms that I've heard within my circle of friends. I don't suspect that my old sweat lodging buddies were followers of Jung. How often do folks use terms and phrases without really knowing the origin of where that phase came from? I often quote Shakespeare and find out later that the phrase that I am using is from one of Shakespeare's plays.
So, my problem with borrowing terminology is not about loyalty to the original, it's the definition of the term.....the meaning.....very confusing to discuss ideas when the same terms have different meanings. I'm used to those terms being references to Jung's definitions......It's impossible to communicate about philosophy and/or Psychology without first defining terminology.....We use labels as shortcuts...that way, we don't have to continually explain what we are referring to.

Pat obviously has a very different definition of the term "Higher Self" and "Shadow Self" than Jung, yet she and you and Destiny all use the term as if the meaning is assumed.....It doesn't seem to have any basis in Jung's philosophy of "self", so why use his terminology ?.....Can you refer me to a source that defines those terms as you understand them?.....

By the way, Star, I very much appreciate your generosity in going deeper with me.....


starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
1/13/2022 9:42 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    So, my problem with borrowing terminology is not about loyalty to the original, it's the definition of the term.....the meaning.....very confusing to discuss ideas when the same terms have different meanings. I'm used to those terms being references to Jung's definitions......It's impossible to communicate about philosophy and/or Psychology without first defining terminology.....We use labels as shortcuts...that way, we don't have to continually explain what we are referring to.

    Pat obviously has a very different definition of the term "Higher Self" and "Shadow Self" than Jung, yet she and you and Destiny all use the term as if the meaning is assumed.....It doesn't seem to have any basis in Jung's philosophy of "self", so why use his terminology ?.....Can you refer me to a source that defines those terms as you understand them?.....

    By the way, Star, I very much appreciate your generosity in going deeper with me.....
Higher Self and Shadow Self are terms that I heard from others and used those terms without really knowing the origin of where they came from. I've done the same with Shakespeare or even Opera - finding myself using phases and sitting in a theater hearing that phase. It's an "Ah Ha!" moment. So that's where it came from but where did they find the phases. We may never know.

Abracadabra


starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
1/14/2022 5:50 am

    Quoting dusty17:
    It doesn't make sense to me to post controversy or support a controversial blog and then complain about attacks and victimization .......
Define controversial. Is controversial a blog that has a different prospective than yours?

Abracadabra


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
1/14/2022 9:00 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    Higher Self and Shadow Self are terms that I heard from others and used those terms without really knowing the origin of where they came from. I've done the same with Shakespeare or even Opera - finding myself using phases and sitting in a theater hearing that phase. It's an "Ah Ha!" moment. So that's where it came from but where did they find the phases. We may never know.
I get that, but what do those terms mean? Do you and Pat and Destiny all have the same definition of those terms......how do you define "Higher Self" and "Shadow Self? Do you all have the same definition?