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starwomyn 70F
5429 posts
7/7/2021 7:52 pm

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Everyone loves an Impromptu Parade!!! Almost!!!

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starwomyn 70F
8876 posts
7/7/2021 7:57 pm

Most folks really enjoyed the parade but there a few haters with their usual narrative.

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sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
7/7/2021 8:48 pm

American style patriotism and the flag fetish is completely alien to me....for instance, on Canada Day, July 1st, this year, we all took a break from the celebrations and instead of fireworks and flags, we contemplated systemic racism....


MrsJoe 76F
17445 posts
7/7/2021 9:54 pm

The county seat is about 10 miles from us and it is where we go the most. The main streets were lined with flags as was the court house and uptown. I was there twice before last Friday and forgot to take my camera both times. It was would have been a good H picture, for holiday in the hometown. The smaller towns around were also decked out with their flags, as was many country homes that we passed. I have a small flag in the midst of some petunias on our patio.
It seems there are always haters and critics these days.


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starwomyn 70F
8876 posts
7/7/2021 9:56 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    American style patriotism and the flag fetish is completely alien to me....for instance, on Canada Day, July 1st, this year, we all took a break from the celebrations and instead of fireworks and flags, we contemplated systemic racism....
The United States doesn't need just one day to contemplate racism. We do it all year. January is the big Martin Luther King Day. There is always a parade and displays and workshops. The entire month of February is Black Awareness Month. The local Carnegie Hall has displays on the issue for that entire month. I took the women from rehab to see a book signing for Ruth and the Green Book. This is a book about a young African American girl in the 1950's on a road trip with her family. They had to use the "Green Book" to located safe places where they would be treated equally and accepted.

I also took them to a showing for "The Butler." A movie about a black man who worked as a butler in the White House for several presidencies. The local theater shows these kind of films for the entire month free of charge.
The only rally allowed during the pandemic in 2020 was one for racial justice after the George Floyd incident. Happily this one was peaceful which was not the case in so many other areas in the nation.

I have also lobbied in Washington D.C. on the issue of mass incarceration which targets minorities. When I go to AFSC and our yearly meeting, this is a big topic. We have speakers and workshops on the issue.

If I want to wave the American Flag while savoring a latte - so mote it be.


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MrsJoe 76F
17445 posts
7/7/2021 10:01 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    American style patriotism and the flag fetish is completely alien to me....for instance, on Canada Day, July 1st, this year, we all took a break from the celebrations and instead of fireworks and flags, we contemplated systemic racism....
I believe our country, and I hope yours, has made a lot of great strides and I don't agree with the term systemic racism as meaning everybody has it.
It seems there are some in our country that want to set us all back to when we saw everybody by the color of their skin again and divide us rather than unite us.
I've recently heard and read some about old laws that took native American children away from their parents and put them is "schools" where they would learn to be "civilized" and forbid them to embrace the culture of their parents and grandparents. I believe that also happened in your country. Thankfully that has been changed, but the fact it happened is a dark blot on our history and it should be taught to our children as well as slavery. Not to make victim and aggressor labels, as CRT does, but to see that nothing like that would ever happen again.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


Koffla 68M
12424 posts
7/7/2021 11:14 pm



There is always a parade going on somewhere.



Maudie1 74F
8151 posts
7/8/2021 12:24 am

Wave your flag and be proud, I don't see anything wrong with it at all. To each their own I say.

When there is a big football or hurling final here the counties involved have their county colored flags out in force, on cars, trucks, in villages, towns and their homes and gardens all decked out with flags and bunting. It makes for a wonderful atmosphere , and brings such joy to the counties involved.

We wave our "tricolour " with pride on St Patrick's Day, a great day to be Irish, so they say.


TxJW002 81M

7/8/2021 6:03 am

What is CRT?


starwomyn 70F
8876 posts
7/8/2021 12:52 pm

CRT = Critical Race Theory

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sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
7/8/2021 9:13 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    I believe our country, and I hope yours, has made a lot of great strides and I don't agree with the term systemic racism as meaning everybody has it.
    It seems there are some in our country that want to set us all back to when we saw everybody by the color of their skin again and divide us rather than unite us.
    I've recently heard and read some about old laws that took native American children away from their parents and put them is "schools" where they would learn to be "civilized" and forbid them to embrace the culture of their parents and grandparents. I believe that also happened in your country. Thankfully that has been changed, but the fact it happened is a dark blot on our history and it should be taught to our children as well as slavery. Not to make victim and aggressor labels, as CRT does, but to see that nothing like that would ever happen again.
So you don't like the terminology.....Yes, Canada had Residential schools....recently, using new technology, the remains of hundreds of First Nations children were found on the grounds of those schools......The children were literally kidnapped by church/government and mistreated and they and their families disrespected......and the impact is multigenerational trauma that has impact into the present.

Your belief that CRT "makes victim and aggressor labels" is American Right Wing propaganda.....sounds like you've been watching Fox......

In Canada, Critical Race Theory is just a label that has been used by academics for decades as the name of a study of the role of race in societies......that's it.......Nothing to be afraid of.

In Canada, we have different issues around race than in the US.....We have a lot of racial diversity, but we don't have a population of people who were historically enslaved. It's different here......that's all I was saying in my initial comment.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
7/8/2021 9:27 pm

    Quoting starwomyn:
    The United States doesn't need just one day to contemplate racism. We do it all year. January is the big Martin Luther King Day. There is always a parade and displays and workshops. The entire month of February is Black Awareness Month. The local Carnegie Hall has displays on the issue for that entire month. I took the women from rehab to see a book signing for Ruth and the Green Book. This is a book about a young African American girl in the 1950's on a road trip with her family. They had to use the "Green Book" to located safe places where they would be treated equally and accepted.

    I also took them to a showing for "The Butler." A movie about a black man who worked as a butler in the White House for several presidencies. The local theater shows these kind of films for the entire month free of charge.
    The only rally allowed during the pandemic in 2020 was one for racial justice after the George Floyd incident. Happily this one was peaceful which was not the case in so many other areas in the nation.

    I have also lobbied in Washington D.C. on the issue of mass incarceration which targets minorities. When I go to AFSC and our yearly meeting, this is a big topic. We have speakers and workshops on the issue.

    If I want to wave the American Flag while savoring a latte - so mote it be.
Ye, of course, in Canada, our federal government dictates that we contemplate racism on that one day and forbids us to contemplate racism for the other 364.......Yup, that must be it.....uh huh...


starwomyn 70F
8876 posts
7/8/2021 9:48 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Ye, of course, in Canada, our federal government dictates that we contemplate racism on that one day and forbids us to contemplate racism for the other 364.......Yup, that must be it.....uh huh...
That sounds about right.

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starwomyn 70F
8876 posts
7/8/2021 10:33 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    So you don't like the terminology.....Yes, Canada had Residential schools....recently, using new technology, the remains of hundreds of First Nations children were found on the grounds of those schools......The children were literally kidnapped by church/government and mistreated and they and their families disrespected......and the impact is multigenerational trauma that has impact into the present.

    Your belief that CRT "makes victim and aggressor labels" is American Right Wing propaganda.....sounds like you've been watching Fox......

    In Canada, Critical Race Theory is just a label that has been used by academics for decades as the name of a study of the role of race in societies......that's it.......Nothing to be afraid of.

    In Canada, we have different issues around race than in the US.....We have a lot of racial diversity, but we don't have a population of people who were historically enslaved. It's different here......that's all I was saying in my initial comment.
i don't follow Canadian politics as closely as some of the Canadians follow United States Politics. I do know that it adopted it's own constitution and became an independent nation in 1982. Canada still pays homage to the British Queen and supports the extravagant lifestyle of the royal family. Canada is still part of the British Commonwealth.

Historical, The British were the biggest enslavers of all time. While slavery was outlawed in Britain around 1800, it did not affect slavery elsewhere in the British Empire. It grew very rapidly in the Caribbean Colonies. It is estimated that Britain transported three million plus Africans to the British Colonies to the Caribbeans, North and South America and to other countries. More common in Canada was the enslavement of Indigenous people.


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sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
7/9/2021 9:17 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    i don't follow Canadian politics as closely as some of the Canadians follow United States Politics. I do know that it adopted it's own constitution and became an independent nation in 1982. Canada still pays homage to the British Queen and supports the extravagant lifestyle of the royal family. Canada is still part of the British Commonwealth.

    Historical, The British were the biggest enslavers of all time. While slavery was outlawed in Britain around 1800, it did not affect slavery elsewhere in the British Empire. It grew very rapidly in the Caribbean Colonies. It is estimated that Britain transported three million plus Africans to the British Colonies to the Caribbeans, North and South America and to other countries. More common in Canada was the enslavement of Indigenous people.
Like you said, you don't "follow" Canadian politics including our relationship with Britain......but surely you can understand the societal difference between having a distant connection to a country that once held slaves in it's colonies and living in a country where slavery was practiced for centuries and there was a Civil War based on slavery and then a century of Jim Crow laws and economic and political and social struggles for those who came from slaves.....those whose family trees show they came from the White slave owner's ra*pe of their foremothers.

As I said in my last comment "
"In Canada, we have different issues around race than in the US.....We have a lot of racial diversity, but we don't have a population of people who were historically enslaved. It's different here......that's all I was saying in my initial comment"


starwomyn 70F
8876 posts
7/10/2021 1:36 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Like you said, you don't "follow" Canadian politics including our relationship with Britain......but surely you can understand the societal difference between having a distant connection to a country that once held slaves in it's colonies and living in a country where slavery was practiced for centuries and there was a Civil War based on slavery and then a century of Jim Crow laws and economic and political and social struggles for those who came from slaves.....those whose family trees show they came from the White slave owner's ra*pe of their foremothers.

    As I said in my last comment "
    "In Canada, we have different issues around race than in the US.....We have a lot of racial diversity, but we don't have a population of people who were historically enslaved. It's different here......that's all I was saying in my initial comment"

I actually belong to a group which connected the ancestors of the enslaved with the ancestors of the slave owners. I actually found a DNA connection with a young man from England. His people were from one of the Caribbean colonies. The mutual ancestor was an Irishman.

Ironically, many POC have Irish ancestry. It was not always because of r*pe. Many of the Irish were indentured servants who actually coupled up with enslaved individuals. If a male slave had a child with a white Irish woman - the child would be considered free. The status of the child was determined by the status of the mother.

Ironically when Thomas Jefferson freed his sons with Sally Hemmings in his will, he was not able to free Sally. The sons were more than one third white but if Sally had been freed, she would have been required to leave Virginia. Even though Jefferson's daughter Martha technically owned Sally, She was allowed to live in the household of her sons for the remainder of her life. Her sons owned property which is now the Hampton Inn in Charlottesville, Virginia. The family graveyard is now the parking lot.


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