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starwomyn 70F
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6/3/2017 6:55 pm

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PrestonSchoolOf Industry, San Quentin & FamilySkeletons

My Aunt Maryann was the family genealogist and I followed her footsteps. I have resources that she did not have and I am able to find the paper trail although I do run into brick walls. It is so much fun when they start trembling down.

One of the Skeleton's is regarding my maternal grandfather Winterstein. He was sent to prison when my mother was a . I am not exactly sure why he was sent to prison at that time but I did find records from his earlier years.

I found a Census where he was sent to the Preston School of Industry at the age of 15 for forgery. This was a reform school for boys which sadly had a reputation for abuse. Sexual, physical, emotional - the school is a hotspot for paranormal activities

He aged out and was sent to San Quentin to finish his sentence for another two years.

I heard stories about my "criminal" grandfather but I have to wonder how the experiences of his earlier years lead him to that path. The Rumor was that his mother died in an insane asylum. That rumor was false. She left Jack's father - leaving him with the boys and taking the girl. She remarried.

I find him in a later census in Chicago living with his alleged "dead" mother. This is shortly after he left prison. He married my grandmother and my mother was born. He returned to California which may have been a mistake. I am suspecting that he was picked up for the parole violation of leaving the state.

He was law-abiding by the time I met him. I have to wonder why a 15 year old boy is sent into an institution where there is abuse. If the Preston School of Industry actually did what it was intended when built - there might have been a different outcome for his life.


Maybe this is one of the reasons that I have lobbied for Prison Sentencing Reform. I am doing it for Granddaddy Winterstein.




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starwomyn 70F
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6/3/2017 6:57 pm



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MrsJoe 76F
17469 posts
6/3/2017 7:02 pm

Very interesting, Star. I'm not much into genealogy, but my sister has done some research of our tree.
Out of curiosity, I looked up some of Joe's family names in Charleston, and found a police record for a grandmother of his. She was the plaintiff, not the defendant...... some man named Ruppity Rattles had shot at her. In a book about Charleston that told about that man, he said he had only shot at two women in his life.......... one for walking too slow, and the other one for cussing at him. Joe laughs and likes to think his grandmother was the feisty one that cussed at him.


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starwomyn replies on 6/3/2017 8:32 pm:
His real name was Julius William but he was known as Rumpty Rattles. He was a black man. He died at the age of 28 on Franklin and Magazine Roads in Charleston, SC I found his DC on Ancestry.

starwomyn 70F
8876 posts
6/3/2017 8:44 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    Very interesting, Star. I'm not much into genealogy, but my sister has done some research of our tree.
    Out of curiosity, I looked up some of Joe's family names in Charleston, and found a police record for a grandmother of his. She was the plaintiff, not the defendant...... some man named Ruppity Rattles had shot at her. In a book about Charleston that told about that man, he said he had only shot at two women in his life.......... one for walking too slow, and the other one for cussing at him. Joe laughs and likes to think his grandmother was the feisty one that cussed at him.
There was also a gangster during prohibition era. named ln 1927, during prohibition, bootlegger "Rumpty Rattles" (real name Frank Hogan) was shot at ambush from the upper windows of this building. The killers pleaded self defense. After a highly publicized trial the verdict came down as "not guilty." The defense attorney's fee was the shotgun used to shoot "Rumpty Rattles."

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MrsJoe 76F
17469 posts
6/3/2017 9:05 pm

    Quoting starwomyn:
    There was also a gangster during prohibition era. named ln 1927, during prohibition, bootlegger "Rumpty Rattles" (real name Frank Hogan) was shot at ambush from the upper windows of this building. The killers pleaded self defense. After a highly publicized trial the verdict came down as "not guilty." The defense attorney's fee was the shotgun used to shoot "Rumpty Rattles."
Yep, that was him! The book Joe read actually had some people in it that he had known when he was a young man growing up in Charleston.

Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.